So which in your opinion is the bigger joke now? I would do a poll but I would like to see some discussion.

WWF - No Bruno. Bob Orton basically got in because his brat is getting a push from Hell. Weak mid-card gimmicks have gotten in.

WON - It took forever to get Bob Backlund in because Meltzer hates him. Kurt Angle is already in. Undertaker is in while guys like the Midnight Express and Curt Hennig will probably never get in. No real basis for any of the voting.

So take your pick. I pick the WON Hall of Fame because you expect the WWF one to be a mess.

I guess I'd have to see a list of the two. I certainly think WWE's is crap.

Here's the WON Hall of Fame for easy reference:

Perro Aguayo
Andre The Giant
Bert Assirati
Giant Baba
Fred Blassie
Nick Bockwinkel
Bobo Brazil
Jack Brisco
Bruiser Brody
Dick The Bruiser
Mildred Burke
Abdullah The Butcher
Canek
Negro Casas
Riki Choshu
Crusher Lisowski
Alfonso Dantes
Blue Demon
The Destroyer
Ted Dibiase
The Dusek Family Riot Squad
Jackie Fargo
Ric Flair
Tatsumi Fujinami
Dory Funk Jr.
Terry Funk
Verne Gagne
Cavernario Galindo
Ed Don George
Gorgeous George
Frank Gotch
Karl Gotch
"Superstar" Billy Graham
Rene Guajardo
Salvador "Gori" Guerrero
George Hackenschmidt
Stan Hansen
Bret Hart
Danny Hodge
Hulk Hogan
Antonio Inoki
Rayo De Jalisco
Tom Jenkins
Don Leo Jonathan
The Fabulous Kangaroos
Dynamite Kid
Gene Kiniski
Killer Kowalski
Ernie Ladd
Jerry Lawler
Ed "Strangler" Lewis
Jim Londos
Akira Maeda
Devil Masami
Mil Mascaras
Tiger Mask (Satoru Sayama)
Dump Matsumoto
Earl McCready
Leroy McGuirk
Danny McShane
Rey Mendoza
Mitsuharu Misawa
Bronko Nagurski
Pat O'Connor
Kintaro Oki
Atsushi Onita
Pat Patterson
John Pesek
Roddy Piper
Harley Race
Dusty Rhodes
Rikidozan
Yvon Robert
Antonino Rocca
Road Warriors
Billy Robinson
Buddy Rogers
Bruno Sammartino
El Santo
Jackie Sato
Randy Savage
The Sheik
Dara Singh
El Solitario
Rick Steamboat
Joe Stecher
Ray Steele
Ray Stevens
Nobuhiko Takada
Genichiro Tenryu
Lou Thesz
Jumbo Tsuruta
Mad Dog Vachon
Vader
Johnny Valentine
Fritz Von Erich
Whipper Billy Watson
Bill Watts
Jaguar Yokota
Stanislaus Zbyszko
Jim Barnett
Wild Red Berry
Paul Boesch
Jim Cornette
Dory Funk Sr.
Eddie Graham
Stu Hart
Bobby Heenan
Fred Kohler
Dick Lane
Salvador Lutteroth
Vince McMahon Jr.
Vince McMahon Sr.
Joe "Toots" Mondt
Sam Muchnick
Antonio Pena
Lance Russell
Billy Sandow
Hisashi Shinma
Gordon Solie
Tony Stecher
Frank Tunney
Edouard Carpentier
Toshiaki Kawada
Jimmy Lennon
William Muldoon
Chigusa Nagayo
El Hijo Del Santo
Dos Caras
Lioness Asuka
Jushin Liger
Keiji Mutoh
Jim Ross
Steve Austin
Mick Foley
Shinya Hashimoto
Bill Longson
Akira Hokuto
Frank Sexton
Sandor Szabo
Black Shadow
Lizmark
Bull Nakano
El Satanico
Diablo Velasco
Farmer Burns
Jack Curley
Kenta Kobashi
Wahoo McDaniel
Manami Toyota
Shawn Michaels
Chris Benoit
Kazushi Sakuraba
Undertaker
Bob Backlund
Masahiro Chono
Ultimo Dragon
Kurt Angle

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/halloffame/

Goota agree with you, the WON is worse. Way too many members, and just has a snooty feel with all the ancient names thrown in who most voters probably never saw, "but Dave said they were good, so we gotta vote for 'em."

Personally, I think the WON is better. I'm sorry, but Pete Rose in a "wrestling" HOF is a joke anyway you cut it.

I'll also mention that HHH is going to get in this year easily.

He'll be in while Eddie Guerrero, Sting, Mr. Perfect and a lot of more deserving people aren't going to make it. Owen Hart probably won't make it in either.

EDIT: Don Frye is also really high up the list as he got 77 votes last year.

See, the DWB Hall of Fame is about to induct Mr. Perfect, so it's better than both by default :P

I think the WON HOF is crap because it seems there is no one they WON'T induct. I don't think any HOF list should be that stinking long.

The WWE's HOF is fun because of the way they have the ceremony and I liked the dvd from last year, though I do acknowledge that inducting Pete Rose was an unfunny joke.

I think having guys like Frank Gotch and George Hackenschmidt in there is pretty useless. No one voting ever saw either wrestle a match. In Gotch's case he died long before anyone who's voting was born.

That's not necessarily the case though MD. I know that there IS footage available of both guys.....so I'm sure they have seen SOMETHING of both. But they are put in the HOF simply because of their contributions to the sport in the early 1900's.

WON hall of fame has a lot more dead weight in it. I'll actually go with WWE, it's more centralized.

Kurt's in because of his amateur wrestling career, too, not just for his pro career.

Undertaker drew more than Hennig and was more important/a bigger name so I can see why he's in and not Curt.

Drawing power? Quality of work? Historical importance/influence?

They never drew the kind of money main-eventing like HHH did in 2000. Even if we all know who the real draw in 2000 was. ;-)

Again the WON HOF isn't based on quality of wrestling alone. Gotch probably drew a lot of money and there's probably proof of that somewhere.


To answer the question - WWE's HOF is barely half serious, if that. Complain about the WON selections all you want, but at least they take it seriously. WON is better.

I agree with Ray on this one.....at least the WON HOF has SOME credibility or guidelines to get in.

I've read quite a bit about Gotch and Hackenshmidt, which is probably more than a lot of the voters. I would have a hard time voting for the fact that I've never seen any footage of them. Yeah I've read about them but ultimately I have someone else's opinion of them.

This isn't like a real sport where I can make up for lack of footage by looking up someone's stats.

I'm also assuming that Meltz and the voters may have more means of finding out "stats" about Hackenschmidt and Gotch than you or I would. The guys names have been floated around for decades......I'm sure they are in for good reason.