Title: Guys The WWF Missed The Boat On
Mad Dog - March 31, 2005 06:15 PM (GMT)
Barry Horowitz: The guy was getting huge reactions for his upset wins in 95. They could've gotten much more mileage out of the loser gets on a hot streak angle.
Hakushi: Easy I.C. calibur guy that could've been a solid heel for years.
Chris Jericho: won't go into it.
Vader: Should've been the WWF Champion at least once
Scrooge McSuck - March 31, 2005 06:17 PM (GMT)
I blame Vader on 2 people...
1. Shawn Michaels: The faggot refused to put the title on him the day of Summerslam. Vader was getting a monster push and destroying not only jobbers, but midcarders+ as well. He was probably the most over heel on the roster.
2. Vince Russo: When Russo got more power, he revealed his hatred for Vader and booked him as a joke and/or jobbed him out.
Also Vader's stiffness and weight problems weren't too popular with Vince McMahon, but look at the Big Show for a weight problem example and still getting pushed, and Hakus stiffing.
Mad Dog - March 31, 2005 06:20 PM (GMT)
The funny thing about Vader is that even though he was fat he could move better than 90% of the WWF's roster at the time.
I think the weight and stiffness were just excuses for McMahon to not put over a non-WWF made star.
TehDoct0r - March 31, 2005 06:29 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Scrooge McSuck @ Mar 31 2005, 12:17 PM) |
Also Vader's stiffness and weight problems weren't too popular with Vince McMahon, but look at the Big Show for a weight problem example and still getting pushed, and Hakus stiffing. |
No offense, but even WWF Vader was portrayed as way more legitimate than Haku ever was. Ever. So that's pretty much a pointless argument.
I think Vader and Shinzaki are probably the two biggest and best examples. Jericho is still highly regarded by both smarks and marks, even though I do agree that he could be a lot more. RVD was another one of those guys, but he seems to be going farther and farther down the toilet. Ultimo Dragon of course, but everyone knows the reason why there.
Scrooge McSuck - March 31, 2005 06:33 PM (GMT)
Everyone complained about Vader stiffing them, hence why I said the stiffness thing was a problem.
Mad Dog - March 31, 2005 06:36 PM (GMT)
They missed the boat on Flair in 92 as well. It's mind blowing that Hogan/Flair wasn't the main event to Wrestlemania VIII
TehDoct0r - March 31, 2005 06:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Scrooge McSuck @ Mar 31 2005, 12:33 PM) |
| Everyone complained about Vader stiffing them, hence why I said the stiffness thing was a problem. |
I understand, but comparing him to Haku in terms of push is pretty laughable.
Mad Dog - March 31, 2005 06:44 PM (GMT)
I didn't really know that Haku had a reputation of stiffing people.
Scrooge McSuck - March 31, 2005 06:46 PM (GMT)
Bad example, unless I use his WCW pushes, which contradicts the Vince McMahon theory. However, not until Haku left was he ever treated badly, but he wasn't used high profile except to fill in spaces like in Survivor Series matches.
dynamite kido - March 31, 2005 07:04 PM (GMT)
They brought Vader in the right way, but Shawn and the other locker room "heads" pretty much fucked his push over. Shawn didn't want to drop the title, and nobody was really willing to go to bat for Vader.......or so I've heard.
Ricky Steamboat was definately someone who even though they did put the IC on.....he should have carried the World at some point. There isn't a guy in the business that has something bad to say about in ring or personally. Besides the one time that he told Vince that he wanted time off to spend with his newborn son.........there is nothing else that Vince would have punished him for. So Steamboat left to go to NWA and everything else is history. Then Vince brought him back in the 90's and gave him a total fucking cartoon gimmick and gave him the shitty "he's an NWA guy" treatment.
Dynamite Kid is another guy that comes to mind. Even though the Bulldogs are my favorite tag team, but Dynamite was NEVER utilized as a singles guy by the WWF unless it was in the Jr. Division that was basically dead in the US before it got started.
Adrian Adonis is another guy I always thought got slighted. He was a guy that could work with anyone in the company at the time, but was never pushed as a main event guy who could have made Hogan look like 5 million bucks.
prof_plague - March 31, 2005 10:18 PM (GMT)
Owen Hart in mid-90s. I mean...two great matches against Bret. He even beat Bret at WrestleMania X. And who got the title shot against Yokozuna? Bret. And then Bret won the title. What about Owen? And then again in '95-'96 during Michaels first title reign.
And similar stories with DiBiase and Hennig.
There's a lot of people they didn't put titles on. May be that should be a seperate though.
As for people they just missed...a lot of the indy kids now. There's a lot of JAPW and RoH wrestlers they should really pick-up. Not to mention other indies...I just don't know the others too well.
Statmark - April 14, 2005 02:01 AM (GMT)
I think alot of people forget that it was NOT WWF that killed Vader's mystique, it was WCW starting in Feb 95 and his program with Hogan, followed by that abysmal face turn before he even entered WWF. They actually did a pretty good job trying to bring it back out of the gate by having him kill Monsoon but the damage had been done and the murderous monster image that was SO strong from '90-'93 had been destroyed.
Benoit is God - April 14, 2005 02:57 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| Owen Hart in mid-90s. I mean...two great matches against Bret. He even beat Bret at WrestleMania X. And who got the title shot against Yokozuna? Bret. And then Bret won the title. What about Owen? |
Owen didn't win the Rumble. ;)
| QUOTE |
| Ricky Steamboat was definately someone who even though they did put the IC on.....he should have carried the World at some point. |
I don't know when he could've held it. With the kind of money Hogan was drawing in 84-88 there's no reason to put it on Steamboat then.
Mad Dog - April 14, 2005 03:11 AM (GMT)
I think they could've revived Vader had he beaten Michaels. He was getting there leading up to that but Michaels killed any chance of Vader ever being worth something in the U.S. by not jobbing.
jamiegeist - April 14, 2005 03:14 AM (GMT)
I'll catch major hell for this, but Jarrett could've been a major player if they'd ever let it happen. I believe Austin refused work with him, or something along those lines. Around the time he first got with Debra, he was just gold, and pulling out some nice matches as well. The top was a bit cluttered then, but he could've added to it.
Don't even bother busting on me for it, as I can do it to myself just as easy. I realize he helped kill WCW and is kicking TNA in the balls. Just saying.
Mad Dog - April 14, 2005 03:45 AM (GMT)
I think he could've been big in the mid 90s if he had cut the hair and done the chosen one gimmick then.
dynamite kido - April 14, 2005 06:37 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jamiegeist @ Apr 13 2005, 09:14 PM) |
I'll catch major hell for this, but Jarrett could've been a major player if they'd ever let it happen. I believe Austin refused work with him, or something along those lines. Around the time he first got with Debra, he was just gold, and pulling out some nice matches as well. The top was a bit cluttered then, but he could've added to it.
Don't even bother busting on me for it, as I can do it to myself just as easy. I realize he helped kill WCW and is kicking TNA in the balls. Just saying. |
Well, I disagree in a major way. Jarrett never drew a damn anywhere he's ever wrestled. In WCW when he was the champion is during the time the company was dying. He was never anything over midcard in the WWF and the only place he was ever really on top was in Memphis.....and that wasn't even all of the time.
Stuttsy - April 14, 2005 06:59 AM (GMT)
While Benjamin has done tremendously well as a single, I think they missed the boat by not having Haas & Benjamin carry the entire tag team division for a long time. They had the belts twice but after September 2003 were pretty much never in the spotlight again. I felt like they had the potential to be a bona fide tag team dynasty and WWE missed the boat.
Christian they are still missing it on, that dude is money in a big brown bag.