He has to be one of the worst wrestlers in the WWF right now. He's 110 lbs. and slow. He's just useless as a cruiserweight because he's smaller and slower than everyone in the division. He was terrible against London on Velocity. He made London's offense look like shit and then almost got himself killed on the finish.

I don't see Dudley staying around too much longer.

...110 pounds?

Spike Dudley is one guy who I've never understood how he made it. Heyman got him over in ECW with the giant killer gimmick, but like you said, he's nothing special.

Oh, I couldn't agree more with you guys on this one. Seriously, I didn't mind "The Boss" character that they were using with him a while back. Then the CW division totally passed him buy.....WHEN HE HAD THE TITLE. Every single other guy in the CW division is better in ring than him and otherwise......like MD said, he's a 110lb jobber.

He's had some interesting gimmicks that have been fun to watch. I think part of the problem is just the entire treatment of the CW division. He's not a horrible wrestler, he's just not like the other CWs.

The problem is, though, I don't find him believable in any way.

I think it's entirely his fault. His selling is horrible for the most part. And he's akward in the ring when it isn't big guys just tossing him around. And he's silly in the cruiserweight division because he's slower than a bunch of guys that outweigh him by 60-100 lbs. which just looks silly. I've always been against him in the cruiserweight division because he wrestlers like a 110 lb. heavyweight.

And yes I think he weighs 110 lbs. because there's no way he weighs more. He's smaller than women I know that weigh in at 120.

I was for him in ECW, I was for him when he first showed up in WWE, but now I don't like him. I think he'd be better off as a manager.

I hadn't noticed how bad Spike had become until he was wrestling Paul London on Velocity several weeks ago (and again recently). I don't know if my eyes are suddenly open to this or not, because I used to think Spike was pretty solid and participated in good tag team matches and such.

Maybe that's just what Spike needs, a new tag partner or the return of the Dudley Boyz.

Spike managed to have a horrible match with Paul F'N London, who can get at least * out of anyone, which he couldn't do with Spike unless you put a negative symbol before it. Fire the son of a bitch, communist bastard.

"Spike managed to have a horrible match with Paul F'N London, who can get at least * out of anyone"


One star IS a horrible rating, you know, so saying he could get someone to one star isn't saying much.

* is a horrible rating for a pay-per-view main event, it's more acceptable for a Velocity match. I think the point was that London gets decent matches out of people who normally have DUD matches.

Spike is so awful he can't have a * match, that was the point of the comment.

I hate when people fucking need to disect everything said, trying to get the minimalist point made.

You're just angry because you can't even put a * match together.

* isn't that hard to do... Benoit got that out of Nathan Jones of all people, the worst wrestler in recent years.

I want to see that. Scrooge McSuck and Spike Dudley 1-on-1.

What kind of match will it be?

I estimate it will be a -*** match, but lots of outside interference from Kane and Hogan will lift it up to *1/2.

Har Har Har... still, Spike Dudley is one of the worst "wrestlers" on the roster (if you call stomping on peoples chests 50 times and being thrown around like a doll wrestling).

Har Har Har... still, Spike Dudley is one of the worst "wrestlers" on the roster (if you call stomping on peoples chests 50 times and being thrown around like a doll wrestling).

And don't forget about D-Von and Bubba. Hm...McSuck in a 3-D... :D

I vaguely recall a match with Christian a while back that was at least average, which would put it in the ** range. ;-) I can also recall some Smackdown tags with Noble or someone which were above average.


And Spike shouldn't be fired. He's well-known to WWE fans and is willing to take any bump. He shouldn't be getting any title reigns or major feuds, but he's valuable as a jobber.

When the Bubba Ray and D'Von are back on T.V., I guarante we'll see another Spike Dudley push when he shouldn't be anything more than a human dart.

Har Har Har....still, Scrooge McSuck is one of the worst "posters" on the forum (If you call ducking flaming objects and tossing splooge posting)

Look who's talking... I got nothing.

I do see your points here Ray, but what good is a 110lb jobber? How exactly does it help your talent if they go over a guy that looks like he would get roughed up by 12 year olds?

It shows he's really badass and doesn't care who he messes with. Soon, he'll be pushing down the old ladies sitting at ring side.

Now THAT is Hardcore! I'd pay money to see Spike rough up old ladies.

:lol: Yes! What a way to keep him heel!

I have wondered for many years now why this walking toothpick has gotten pushed and why he even has a job in WWE. He's useless.

He gives Pat Patterson a blowjob once a week... oh shit, Pat is gone. FUCK! Who do I pin the gay jokes on now?!?!? (crash through wall does Terry Garvins ghost)

Did ya ever notice how the crowd reacts when a big musclehead powerbombs the shit out of him?

Yes, but to just pop the crowd isn't exactly the point of a jobber. To me the point of a jobber would be to put a guy over and make him look as good as possible in the process. But when the jobber looks like children could beat him up, how good does that really make a guy look?

I could see Spike being entertaining as the manager for his brothers. You know, the whole bit where they are scared of him and such.

I don't think recurring jobbers is a good idea. Every match should have that element of "who's gonna win?". If you've got a guy who jobs every week to everyone, the second he walks through the curtain the suspense is dead.

Yeah, but the point of a jobber match isn't to create suspense. It's simply just a way to get a guy over and not at the expense of another wrestler you are building/protecting/etc.

I disagree. One of the main reasons Flair was great was ability to build suspense in the crowd for any opponent. As a matter of fact most of the true greats had that same ability. The thought process was - it's great to beat a nobody, but it's much better to beat someone who the crowd is believing in.

I guess we agree to disagree then. I always saw it as *insert wrestler here* is beating a guy that he should beat (aka the jobber), then when you saw their feud come to a head on PPV, House Show, etc. Now the reason why you want to see that feud (besides the build up for it and whatnot) is that both guys have looked strong going into it (from fighting the jobbers until the match) and it looks like a more solid matchup on paper than the usual squashes that the guys were in.

Just a question, and I'm not trying to be argumentative; Think of guys who you thought were truely great, then try to think of how often they were involved in squashes. Most of the guys I consider great just weren't involved in squashes that often. I understand your theory, but I think it makes a feud better if both guys have had good matches coming into it.

No no, I actually agree with you in theory. It's just that for example in today's wrestling, the WWE can't afford to have jobber matches because of the way that TV was changed by the Monday night Wars. It unfortunate too, because instead of being "superstars" they end up as TV fodder.

This may just be a simple difference of opinion WMD...

I think WWE would be surprised at the results if they went back to jobber matches, with a feature bout, and main event thrown in each week. Of course, that would guarantee at least 3-4 matches every show, and no way WWE is doing that.

Well, that's kind of what they are doing with Angle. Look how much better his PPV stuff has been two, since he doesn't have to go full force in those jobber matches.