This was on several news sites and apparently the rumor/story going around is that he did something really disrespectful to Homicide and he gave the old him or me line to both companies.

I saw this at DVDVR, and apparently it's now spiraled to "Maff has quit the biz" entirely.

Hopefully Whitmer follows...;)

So that leaves one Prophecy guy in RoH?

Maff sounds like a real moron. He should know he's basically a nobody in wrestling and can't be pulling whatever he did.

I couldn't agree more.

Why do you say that about Whitmer? And did Maff say anything else? Or has anything else been released?

Basically ROH and JAPW both announced that he was done with the company effective immediately. What ever it is must be bad because he's vacating the JAPW title. He's apparently been in a long standing fued there with Jay Lethal over it and now it's been vacated instead of dropped. Who knows what happened.....but it's not good.

Has IWA:MS said anything about it yet?

Not to my knowledge.....but I don't really know how consistantly he's worked there.

I wish I could remember who Maff was... the name sounds very familiar, like I've seen him before (although I've never seen ROH or JAPW). Has he ever wrestled in NWA-TNA or MLW (when it was active)?

I think he wrestled for MLW and I believe he did some dark match work for TNA. Maybe appeared once or twice as a jobber on Xplosion.

Don't be worried for not remembering the guy. He's about as vanilla as they come.

Hmmm.. couldn't have been that good, because I usually recognize people that are entertaining. He must've said something really horrible though for this to happen. (Probably racism or something)

Homicide's sister was apparantly involved, so apparantly now we've got the Indy version of Matt, Lita and Edge

I've always thought he was forgettable. His ROH matches that I've seen are basic brawls that nearly any big guy could do

- Homocide taken from DOI


Thought I would just throw this out.

I guess Maff should've gone after little boys then. At least RF would've still used him.

I REALLY think we need Maff's side of the story before we say anything more. A word like Pedophile, especially in the ROH environment, is a big one to use

Wow. This has been getting more interesting. Something so personal to Homocide? I thought those two only had storyline fueds...

Yeah, that's wjy I didn't comment. To me Pedophile is worse than rapist or murderer, so I wouldn't charge someone with that lightly.

Well, I wouldn't be so quick to descredit Homicide. I've met him several times and even sat down with him for interviews and such. He's a hell of a nice guy and NOBODY I've ever talked too (in the business that is) has ever said anything to me about him. Isn't it funny how EVERY promotor just immediately went to Homicide's side about this? Maybe Maff has done this kind of thing before. Plus, in my many talks with Cide, it's very clear to me that he loves the business. I don't think he would want to put the business through the mud like this for no reason........and if Maff didn't do anything.....we would have heard from him already.

I'm still not totally convinced this is legit. I mean, JAPW and ROH stripping him of titles is pretty serious, but I'm still not sure. That "interview" from DOI SCREAMS work. "I didn't screw Maff, Maff screwed Maff." HELLO! As much as I've heard that Homicide is a weird individual, if someone pulled some pedohpile stuff on a member of my family, I would be beating the shit out of him, or calling the cops at the very least. Running my mouth off to DOI in a very promo-like fashion would be at the bottom of my to-do list.

Also, everyone is saying Maff is totally done. I can see him being gone from places where Cide has a good amount of pull, but out of the business entirely? I wouldn't expect him to be in ROH or JAPW, but I'm sure he could get some work in CZW or 3PW. Something just doesn't add up to me.

I thought that too. But according to various online resources, they all say that he's done with wrestling all together.

Why wouldn't it add up? RF got blackballed in the business. The only reason we even hear about him is the fact that he owned his own company who lied about his involvement and another that he started on his own (RF Video)......otherwise, he was pretty much blackballed.

The question is, why go to DOI instead of the cops or just straight up fucking Maff up himself? That is the one thing that kinda makes it look like a work to me. Everyhthing else seems like Maff's fucked up big.

Well, maybe there isn't enough concrete evidence against Maff, or maybe Cide doesn't want to go to jail. Maybe Maff would fuck up Cide if they would get into it? I don't know, I'm just playing devil's advocate here......

RF is not blackballed. You don't see him in ROH anymore, but I've personally seen him at Fusion, JAPW, and JCW (i think) shows. He was on JAPW's internet show last week. Johnny D, the manager of Papadon, was being asked about his sexuality, and as he was proclaiming his heterosexuality, RF walked by and said something to the effect of "I lost your number, can you give it to me again?"

Also, RF still makes money off of IWA-MS, AWA, JAPW, JCW, and various other promotions. That's hardly being blackballed.

Now, RF can get caught by Perverted Justice ON TAPE and still have a stake in the NE indy scene, but Maff gets accused of something ambiguous by Cide and is forced into early retirement? Something smells funny to me.

RF isn't blackballed because he had a way in to allow other companies to make money. IWA-MS deals with him because they've had financial troubles. AWA, JAPW, JCW, ALL are making money off of the guy. THAT and THAT only is the only reason why he's not totally out. Maff on the other hand can't make promotions money, so if he did do something to this effect, then either he's blackballed or he'll be back at some capacity later.....and it'll be somewhere Cide doesn't work.

I agree that RF is more valuable to promotions than Maff is, but don't call RF blackballed when he is clearly not.

I don't think anyone can be totally blackballed. Gabe and Fat Frank just happen to be on Cide's dick. I'm not knocking those guys, because I would take Cide over Maff in a heartbeat. But, Maff is skilled enough to make it in places that aren't toally sippin Cide's Kool Aid. I'm pretty sure Zandig would love to have him, and he could easily main event 3PW. I'm also willing to bet Ian would take any "name" he can get nowadays, and if all this is true, Maff's asking price would have just taken a nosedive.

All this talk about Cide "taking his boys and leaving" if Maff is still around is weird, too. You think Deranged or Izzy are gonna turn down an RoH booking under any circumstance? And you think Dixie or Azrael would say "Thanks Frank, but no thanks"? Who else is left besides Special Kers? Ki? Doesn't he pull out enough on his own?

I dunno. It all seems a little suspicious to me. I could be totally misjudging the true spectrum of Homicide's influence. It's a possibility. But until more concrete stuff appears, I remain suspicious.

(Remembers when Teddy Hart was wanted Dead or Alive by RoH's locker room, but appeared at March 04 show with little-to-no incident.)

Two things....

1) I was making the point that RF WAS blackballed. After time, he was allowed back in the mix.......but ONLY because he makes promotors money.

2)He wasn't wanted dead or alive by ROH's locker room....it was only Punk and Joe that apparently had the problem.

1) I don't think he was ever "out of the mix" rather than just quiet for awhile. But I guess I get your point.

2) I know for a fact that's not true. I don't want to sound like some dumb ass smart mark, but I really do have regular contact with several members of the ROH locker room, and the overall mood was that they didn't want Teddy back. However, when they came faced with either doing something about it or supporting Gabe (and Rob at the time) and his decision, they showed solidarity. From what I know, Punk and DeVito were the most pissed off, while Joe chilled out because Jack Evans made peace with him.

NOTE: I don't think I'm cool because I talk to wrestlers, but I do know a few things that some others don't. That's all I'm saying.

Well, I don't think I'm cool because I talk to wrestlers either. I've talked to plenty, and my coolness is totally unrelated to that.

I've heard everything you wrote before as Devito WAS pissed (obviously because of the spot or Teddy's lack of informing of said spot) and also I've heard that Joe was mainly pissed because of something Teddy did backstage, as Joe was apparently already talked out of doing anything to him. Also, I was at the event you are talking about (At Our Best) and Teddy wasn't even in the locker room that night as he was outside in a limosine with RF (I did see Teddy in the limo outside myself, but I didn't see RF) so I don't really know how welcome he was at the show.

Plus, besides Joe/Punk/Devito....who would have done anything anyway? A lot of guys work with Teddy elsewhere and Joe/Punk are considered the top guys in the locker room. Now besides Devito, who else really would have stepped in and done something?

I'm not trying to be a smartass here at all either, as I'm just trying to look at this objectively.......

No, I feel you. Civil discussion.

This is all old hat, but I was under the impression that the whole NYC crew was pissed, Punk and his crew were pissed, and DeVito and his crew were pissed. That's pretty much the entire locker room, save the Briscoes. But the limo thing is something I heard about and was told that Teddy being there added even more to his downfall, as Jack entered the locker room despite his heat from his last appearance (he had gotten in a backstage fight with Joe, as you said) and conducted himself professionally. So, Jack looked good and Teddy looked bad.

Your point about Punk, Joe, and DeVito being the only guys who would do anything is pretty accurate. I could also see Homicide or Maff doing something. Funny now that you think about it.

Well, I don't really think that Cide would have done anything to Teddy. From what I understand they are cool....and they did work together in JAPW.

The story I was told is that Cide, Maff, etc were pissed off inititally but got over it by the time the March show came around, so you're right. Apparently RF got them to make peace so they could fire off a Teddy/Cide program, but after RF's abrupt departure, they just moved it to JAPW.