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Big F'N Swigg - March 12, 2005 03:28 PM (GMT)
MAJOR NEWS ITEMS FOR SUNDAY’S DESTINATION X!
New match, stipulations added, participants announced for Ultimate X Challenge and much more!

Friday’s Impact on Fox Sports continued to change the face of this Sunday’s Destination X live and exclusively on Pay-Per-View! Several major news items came from the broadcast:

NEW STIPULATION ADDED TO THE NWA WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE MATCH – JARRETT FACES RINGSIDE REVENGE!
Director of Authority Dusty Rhodes announced that this Sunday during the NWA World Heavyweight Title Match between Jeff Jarrett and Diamond Dallas Page, it will be “Ringside Revenge” for those Jarrett has wronged in the past! Rhodes has selected several TNA personalities that will serve as enforces at ringside during the bout. Their mission? No cheating – no interference! The decision came from Rhodes following recent controversial outcomes to Jarrett’s World Title matches. The TNA participants who will serve as enforces will be announced Sunday during the Pay-Per-View!

PARTICIPANTS ANNOUNCED FOR THE ULTIMATE X CHALLENGE THIS SUNDAY AT DESTINATION X!
The participants for this Sunday’s first-ever Ultimate X Challenge have been solidified! On Friday’s Impact, The Fallen Angel Christopher Daniels earned his championship rematch opportunity by beating Chris Sabin to advance to the event this Sunday. As a result, The Fallen Angel joins Ron “The Truth” Killings and “Primetime” Elix Skipper to challenge The Phenomenal AJ Styles for the X Championship! The high-wire innovative match involving Styles, Daniels, Killings and Primetime will start as a tag team bout. When one superstar is eliminated, it becomes a triple threat match! After another elimination, the Ultimate X Match begins as the two remaining superstars will begin the scramble to scale the wires in order to bring down the X Championship and reign as the titleholder!

“FIRST BLOOD” STIPULATION ADDED TO NASH VS. THE OUTLAW!
“Big Sexy” Kevin Nash is out for blood! This Sunday at Destination X, the monster superstar gets his chance at payback when he faces The Outlaw with new First Blood Rules! The bout between these hated rivals is guaranteed to be sadistic, as the first superstar to bleed loses the match! The Outlaw cost Nash the NWA World Heavyweight Title last month at Against All Odds – now Nash has been given the chance by Dusty Rhodes to take his revenge to a new vicious level this Sunday on Pay-Per-View!

AMERICA’S MOST WANTED / 3LK VS. TEAM CANADA ADDED TO LINEUP!
TNA’s tag team elite will collide this Sunday at Destination X as NWA World Tag Team Champions America’s Most Wanted partner with BG James and Konnan of 3Live Kru to take on Team Canada! Can Harris, Storm, BG and Konnan overcome the elite unit of Petey Williams, Bobby Roode, Eric Young and Johnny Devine? Or, will Team Canada continue their dominance in an effort to reclaim the NWA World Tag Team Title?

TRACI OR TRINITY – ONE WILL BECOME DUSTY’S ASSISTANT THIS SUNDAY!
Team Traci’s “Disciples of Destruction” and Team Trinity’s “Phi Delta Slam” will battle this Sunday at Destination X with a big promotion on the line for the winning team’s lucky lady! If Phi Delta Slam win, Trinity becomes Director of Authority Dusty Rhodes’ Assistant! If the Disciples win, Traci gets the promotion! Which TNA Knockout will gain the victory and get the job from Dusty? Tune in and find out!

AN EXCLUSIVE FIRST-LOOK AT TNA’S APRIL PAY-PER-VIEW: “LOCKDOWN”
Also during the “Destination X” Pay-Per-View, fans will get an exclusive first-look at some big plans in store for the April “Lockdown” Pay-Per-View, featuring another innovative “first-ever” for TNA Wrestling!
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So why the hell is Ron Killings in an X-Division match? Why him and not Sabin? Why is Outlaw vs. Nash First Blood?? GEEZ!!!!

Real F'n Show - March 12, 2005 04:05 PM (GMT)
Killings might actually shine in UX, who knows. I'd rather see Sabin though, so I agree with you to some extent. I'd rather see Petey than Elix too, actually.

This show looks really shitty.

Big F'N Swigg - March 12, 2005 04:15 PM (GMT)
The good thing is that we've been saying that all the shows look shitty. But they all come out as fairly watchable, if not really good. But this has the LEAST amount of hope. I'd get it just to watch Jarrett lose, though.

dynamite kido - March 12, 2005 08:45 PM (GMT)
Well at the final look at this card, I'd say I'll be missing my first TNA Sunday PPV.

whitemilesdavis - March 13, 2005 01:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Real F'n Show @ Mar 12 2005, 10:05 AM)
Killings might actually shine in UX, who knows. I'd rather see Sabin though, so I agree with you to some extent. I'd rather see Petey than Elix too, actually.

This show looks really shitty.

In all fairness, we've seen Sabin in their with all those same guys several times, so I do think it's cool that they found something to do with Killings. He can definitely do the acrobatic stuff, so who knows. I think the card looks decent. Dusty's booking is definitely taking an old-school lean, which witht he right guys at the top of the card, could turn out really good in the future.

D.A.V.E. - March 13, 2005 01:34 AM (GMT)
Bold Predictions
-This card will blow.
- BG James will -Heel Turn_
- The Outlaw (Man, is he New Age) vs. Nash will easily be worse than Monty vs. Triton
- I'll blow my load over Traci
- UX will once again, be an embarrasment to Wrestling. Coming from the promotion running shows in a theme park.

The Last Free Voice - March 14, 2005 12:47 AM (GMT)
I did not know the show was tonight. I need to keep track of this stuff. I won't be ordering, but it'd be nice to know.

Big F'N Swigg - March 14, 2005 04:18 AM (GMT)
from PWInsider.com:
by Mike Johnson @ 11:00:00 PM on 3/13/2005

Pre-Game Show:

Buck Quartermaine & Lex Lovett vs. Chris Candido & Andy Douglas

Candido and Buck chopped each other. Candido missed a running plash in the corner, crotching himself in the corner. Douglas tagged in and worked over Quartermaine. Candido and Douglas worked over Quartermaine. Candido hit a legdrop off the second rope for a two count. He worked over Buck in the corner with chops but it was reversed. Candido avoided Buck as he charged into the corner and held him up for a vertical suplex for some time. After he was cropped, Quartermaine, slipped a hand atop of Candido for a near fall. Lovett hit a slingshot legdrop. Buck went to the top but Douglas shoved him off. Candido hit the top rope diving headbutt and scored the pin. Your winners, Chris Candido & Andy Douglas.

They aired a Trytan promo.

Jeremy Borash and Shane Douglas hyped the lineup.

Kid Kash & Lance Hoyt vs. Jerelle Clark & Cassidy Riley

Riley and Kash opened the bout. They had a good exchange of near falls. Riley monkeyflipped Kash out of the and locked on an armbar. Riley and Clark took down Kash then knocked Hoyt out of the ring, They ducked as Kash went for a dive at them, sending him into his partner on the floor. Clark hit a asai moonsault followed by Riley hitting a plancha. Hoyt hit a big clothesline on Clark with Clark taking a 360 bump. Kash slammed Clark down, then hit Riley. Hoyt hit a huge overhead release suplex on Clark. They worked over Clark. Clark tried to fire back with chops on Kash. Clark hit a spinning kick on Kash and followed it with a powerslam. He went to the top for the 630 but Hoyt took his leg out from under him. Kash worked over Clark while he was on top and hit a top rope powerslam for a two count. Riley broke up the pin. Hoyt tagged in and pressed and dropped Clark. Kash and Clark clothesline each other. Clark blindtagged Riley who hit a springboard dive on Hoyt Hoyt caught him but Clark took out his knee for a near fall. Hoyt killed Clark with a powerbomb and Kash hit the Moneymaker for the pin. Your winners, Lance Hoyt & Kid Kash!

Shane Douglas said he heard something was going on in the back and he was going to find out what it was. It turned out to be Abyss being taken away in handcuffs for an incident with Jeff Hardy.

Jeremy Borash closed the show with a ton of hype.

Destination X PPV

Destination X opened with a great video feature looking at the heart of the wrestlers.

Mike Tenay and Don West preview the card for tonight. They questioned the status of the Falls Count Anywhere bout as Abyss was “taken away in handcuffs” for an incident earlier today.

Team Canada vs. NWA Tag Team champions America’s Most Wanted & Konnan & BG Jammes

When BG Jammes did hit “Tag Team champions of the world” line, AMW took exception to it but the cameras missed it. Johnny Devine has a torn MCL and ACL so a new Team Canada member Alistair Ralph is working the bout. Bobby Rude and BG Jammes opened the bout. Konnan hit rolling thunder on Eric Young. AMW take out Team Canada and knock them to the floor. Chris Harris backdropped his partner over the ropes to the floor on them then hit a running dive on Canada as well. Chris Harris charged Petey Williams in the corner but Bobby Rude pulled him away. Harris hit the ringpost shoulder first. Team Canada worked over Harris including Ralph hitting a big powerslam on him. Harris finally made a tag to Konnan who cleaned house on Team Canada. Konnan hit the facejam on Williams but Rude broke the pin attempt. He locked on Tequila Sunrise but was attacked. All eight men brawled. Scott D’Amore tried to get involved but was tossed off the top. Bobby Rude hit the Northern Lariat for the pin. Your winners, Team Canada.

Backstage, Dusty Rhodes was with Tracy Brooks and Trinity. Jonny Fairplay returned and begged for a chance to return to TNA. Rhodes told him that he had three hours to sign two names to contract and he could return.

Mike Tenay announced the earlier incident with Jeff Hardy and Abyss has been resolved and the Falls Count Anywhere bout will take place tonight.

Chris Sabin vs. Chase Stevens

Sabin hit a huge dive to the floor to open the bout. Stevens took control after Andy Douglas and Chris Candido took out Sabin’s legs while going for a springboard. Sabin finally came back with an inverted atomic drop and several clotheslines. Sabin hit a two count off a springboard DDT. Sabin set him up for Future Shock but Andy Douglas interfered. Sabin reversed a pin attempt for the pin. Candido and the Naturals attacked Sabin when a masked man hit the ring and took them out. He hit a huge running dive to the floor and unmasked to reveal Shocker. Mike Tenay put over his McDonalds commercial and his international reputation. Candido and the Naturals looked shocked. Part of the crowd chanted his name.

Dustin Rhodes vs. Raven - Bullrope Match

Rhodes controlled the match early using the bullrope to choke Raven and send him into the railing and guard rail. Raven pulled Rhodes off the ropes and then placed a chair in the turnbuckles. He whipped Rhodes into the chair. Rhodes came back and went for a bulldog into the chair but Raven threw him off. Rhodes finally scored the pin with a bulldog. Team Canada attacked Rhodes but America's Most Wanted made the save. Your winner, Dustin Rhodes!

They aired a video feature on Team Tracy vs. Team Trinity.

Team Tracy vs. Team Trinity

The two teams brawled back and forth. Only thing of note is that one of Phi Delta distracted the referee for NO reason, after his partner hit a top rope splash. The Harris Boys scored the pin after a switcheroo and a big boot on Big Tilly. Tracy wins the role of Dusty Rhodes' assistant.

They aired a video feature on Monty Brown vs. Trytan.

Monty Brown vs. Trytan

They brawled outside. Tenay put over that while you could study tapes of Brown for strategy, you couldn’t know what Trytan had planned. Trytan scored a nearfall with a chokeslam. Brown hit the fall away slam and played to the crowd. Brown went for the Pounce but the lights went out. When they returned a masked man was in the ring, beating on Brown. Brown hit the pounce on and scored the pin, suddenly “realizing” it wasn’t Trytan. Trytan appeared on the stage pointing at Brown.

Backstage, Diamond Dallas Page talked about Jeff Jarrett while he was stretching for his match. They had a technical problem and went back to Tenay and West.

They aired a video feature on Abyss vs. Jeff Hardy.

Abyss vs. Jeff Hardy - Falls Count Anywhere

Abyss tried to hit Hardy with a chair but was stopped. He went for Shock Treatment but Hardy escsaped. Hardy hit a dive out of the ring off a chair. They brawled backstage into an area where TNA had catering set up. Abyss set up a table. Hardy attacked him but was taken out. Abyss set up a second table. Hardy threw Abyss into a wall and slammed his head into it. Hardy ascended a steel girder and hit a swanton off of it, through the tables. He got a two count for his efforts. Abyss slammed Hardy into a metal gate. They brawled back into the building. Abyss threw Hardy into the rear of the bleachers of the bleachers then crotches him on the guard rail. He throws Hardy into the ring and brings in a pair of chairs. He placed one over Hardy and hit a big splash off the ropes. He gets a near fall. Hardy clobbers him with several chair shots for a near fall. Hardy began looking for something under the ring, finally grabbing a ladder. Hardy set up the ladder and climbed it. Hardy took Abyss down then hit a leapfrog over the ladder to a legdrop for a two count. Hardy went for the Twist of Fate but Abyss hit Shock Treatment for a two count. Hardy shoved Abyss into a chair that was set between two turnbuckles, and rolled him up for a near fall. Hardy went to the top but was crotched. Abyss pulled a table from under the ring. Abyss set the table up as Hardy struggled to recover. He put Hardy on the table and climbed the ropes. Hardy cut him off and went for a top rope hurrancanrana but was caught and Abyss hit a top rope powerbomb. Abyss tore up his elbow during the spot. Hardy tried to fight back and hit the twist of fate on the ladder for the pin. Your winner, Jeff Hardy!

Abyss attacked Hardy after the bell. He pulled out a bag of thumbtacks. He hit the Black Hole Slam into the tacks. They showed a closeup of Hardy’s bloody back imbedded with tacks.

Backstage, Team Canada celebrated their victory. Scott D’Amore said they would get their hands on all the gold in TNA. Jonny Fairplay said he needed a tag team and tried to take two of the members, offering a 60/40 split. Team Canada pulled a Canadian flag he had draped over his shoulders. Fairplay tried to sing the Canadian national anthem and ran off.

They aired a video feature on The Outlaw's recent debut.

Kevin Nash vs. The Outlaw – Taped Fist First Blood Match

Nash and Outlaw brawled back and forth in the ring. Outlaw pulled Nash down and slammed his knee into the ring apron. He slammed it into the ring. Back in the ring, Nash catapults him to the floor. Nash sent him into the railing and the steel support for the Ultimate X bout. Nash went to hit him with a chair but Outlaw hit him low. Outlaw got the chair and cracked it in Nash’s face. Outlaw got some wire cutters and ripped off the turnbuckle in one of the corners. He went to slam Nash into it but Nash blocked and tried to do the same. Nash hit a big boot. He went for Snake Eyes but Outlaw escaped. He slammed Nash into the turnbuckle. Nash hit Snake Eyes on the exposed steel twice, opening him up and worked over the cut. The referee didn’t see it as he was out. Jeff Jarrett hit ringside and hit Nash with the NWA title belt. Jeff Jarrett’s attorney Dagger came out with a doctor, who cleaned off Outlaw’s face and closed the cut. The cameras showed Nash busted open on the floor. The referee saw Nash’s blood and rang the bell. Your winner, the Outlaw!

After the bell, Nash attacked Outlaw and powerbombed him, opening him up again.

TNA X-Division champion AJ Styles vs. Primetime Elix Skipper vs. Christopher Daniels vs. Ron Killings

The rules of the bout: The bout will start as a tag team bout. When a man is eliminated, it will turn into a Three Way bout. When a second competitor is eliminated, it will then turn into a traditional Ultimate X bout where you must capture the belt hanging above the ring.

Stage One: Killings & Daniels vs. Skipper & Styles

Skipper and Killings started the bout. Killings hit a missile dropkick. Styles tagged in and wanted a piece of Daniels. Daniels walked away from the ring instead of tagging in. Styles went for a leapfrog but didn’t clear. Styles dropkicked Killings but was attacked from behind by Daniels. Daniels tagged in and hit Styles with a series of rights. Styles came off the rope with a big kneedrop for a two count. As Styles came off the ropes Skipper kicked him, and applauded his former partner Daniels. Daniels hit an STO and locked in a crossface. Daniels hit a springboard press off the ropes for a two count. Styles battled back. Daniels tried to hit a back suplex on Styles, but he landed on his feet and hit an enziguiri. Killings tagged in as did Skipper. Killings looked great in an exchange and hit an axe kick from the top rope, but Daniels broke up the pin. Killings clotheslined his own partner out of the ring. Styles hit a running tope con hilo to the floor. Skipper hit Sudden Death for the pin. Killings is eliminated.

Stage Two: Daniels vs. Styles vs. Skipper

Styles and Skipper unleashed kicks back and forth on the other and hit a double clothesline. Daniels ascended the cables and used the cross section of the cables to hit a moonsault into the ring on both men. Mike Tenay called it the BME – Biggest Moonsault Ever. Skipper had words with Daniels about the move. Daniels buttered him up, then turned on his old partner. Daniels hit an exploder. Styles tried to get in the ring but was knocked to the floor. Skipper exploded with offense on Daniels, hitting a spinning leg lariat. He went for a full nelson suplex but Daniels ducked down just as Styles came off the ropes with a springboard into a forearm. Styles and Daniels battled in the corner. Skipper came off the cables with an inverted reverse frankensteiner. Skipper hit a powerbomb on Daniels but was too hurt to make the cover. Skipper worked over Daniels. Skipper hit a mule kick on Daniels. Styles used the cables as a starting point, doing a full flip then pulled over into a shooting star which glancingly hit his opponents. Skipper hit sudden death but Daniels rolled up Skipper for the pin.

Stage Three: Styles vs. Daniels for the X-Division championship

Daniels climbed the cables looking for the belt but was pulled off by Styles. He took Styles down and went back to the cables. Styles pulled him down and hit a side backbreaker. Daniels worked him over with headbutt after headbutt. Styles hit the Pele Kick. Daniels and Styles each headed for the cables. Daniels slipped and dived at Styles, pulling him down into the ring. Styles went for the title but Daniels hit a spear off the corner into a STO. Daniels climbed across the cables with Styles pursuing him. Daniels fell and then pulled Styles into the ring with Styles taking a facefirst dive. The crowd chanted “This is Awesome” and they were right. Daniels and Styles met at the halfway point and both went for the belt but fell with the title remaining. They went for it again and again the belt remained. Styles grabbed the belt but when he returned to the ring, Daniels hit Angel’s Wings and grabbed the belt. The referee saw Daniels with the belt and rang the bell.

Your winner and new TNA X-Division champion, Christopher Daniels!

That was easily the best thing on the show thus far and a great bout.

They aired a video feature on NWA champion Jeff Jarrett vs. Diamond Dallas Page noting that there would be "ringside revenge" with the wrestlers that Jarrett had screwed in the past surrounding the ring to prevent interference.

Jonny Fairplay found his tag team – Lex Lovett and Buck Quartermaine. Is that a rib on Ron Niemi?

NWA champion Jeff Jarrett vs. Diamond Dallas Page

DDP jumped into the crowd during his ring entrance. The crowd chanted “You Suck” as Jarrett was introduced. Jarrett backed out of the ring and 3 Live Kru surrounded him to make sure he got back into the ring. Page kept trying to get at Jarrett with the champion jumping to the floor each time. Jarrett went for the stroke but DDP avoided it and went for the diamond cutter. Jarrett backed out of the ring but was stopped by Monty Brown. Brown grabbed him by the throat. DDP attacked Jarrett and got him into the ring. Page got a two count with a shoulderblock. Jarrett went for a hiptoss but Page hit a discus clothesline to the floor. They brawled to the announcer’s table. Page clotheslined Jarrett into the crowd and hit him with a trash can. They brawled into the bleachers and tossed Jarrett into the side of the entranceway set. Page nailed Jarrett with another trash can shot. They brawled to the Spanish announcer’s table. DDP grabbed a crutch from a “ringside fan” and hit Jarrett with it. He brought a swivel chair in the ring and hit Jarrett while Jarrett was sitting in it, spinning him. He peppered Jarrett with punches in the corner, but Jarrett lowblowed him and hit a Hot Shot. Jarrett slammed the swivel chair onto Page’s knee to set up the figure four leglock. He went for it but Page kicked him off and rolled him up several times for two counts. Jarrett worked over Page’s knee. Jarrett worked over the knee and locked on the figure four. Page tried to turn it over but Jarrett used the momentum to swing it back over. Page got to the ropes. Jarrett locked on a sleeper. Page broke it but Jarrett locked it on again. Page finally escaped and took down Jarrett with a clothesline-like move. Page and Jarrett met center-ring brawling. Page hit a clothesline and a big boot. Page hit a clothesline for a two count. Page hit a Rock Bottom for a two count. Page hit a sitdown powerbomb for a two count. Page made the sign for the Diamond Cutter but was stopped by the Naturals and Candido. Jarrett hit a stroke for a two count. Everyone brawled. The Outlaw ran in and handed Jarrett a guitar. He was going to hit Page when BG Jammes grabbed it. Konnan held Jarrett but Jammes hit Konnan when Jarrett ducked. He was upset and he and Ron Killings tended to Konnan. The Outlaw hit the ring but Sean Waltman ran in and cleaned house on Gunn and Jarrett. He hit bronco busters on each and brawled to the back with Outlaw. The Naturals and Chris Candido hit the ring and each received Diamond Cutters. Page hit the cutter on Jarrett. Jarrettt’s attorney Dagger got in the ring. Monty Brown told Page he’d take care of him, then came off the ropes and hit the Pounce on DDP. Jarrett pinned Page. Brown and Jarrett had a staredown, then celebrated together. Mike Tenay said Monty Brown sold his soul to the devil.

Your winner and still NWA champion, Jeff Jarrett!

They closed the PPV with a promo advertising Lockdown and pushing the two Six Sides of Steel bouts.
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Why the hell did Jarrett retain? WTF?

The only good looking thing on this card is the X-Division match. Everything else looks like shit.

dynamite kido - March 14, 2005 05:11 AM (GMT)
Well, I watched the PPV tonight......and the X division match was disappointing. This was definately their worst PPV attempt to date. Horrible show, and I seriously can't believe that they had fucking Jarrett keep.......now I'm really wondering what the fuck their thinking.

Mad Dog - March 14, 2005 06:17 AM (GMT)
Shocker!!!!!!!

That is easily the best signing TNA has made since bringing DDP in. He could be huge for TNA if they can keep him on the shows long term.

The Brown turn is dumb and the only way it's acceptable is if he did it to keep the belt on Jarrett so he could finally beat him.

D.A.V.E. - March 14, 2005 11:21 AM (GMT)
Wow, I mean....wow. If I was still on ...the oter board, this is where I'd be jumping up and down watching people attempt to defend this nonsense. Let's go through the card, one by one.

Team Canada vs The crap faces
Sabin vs. One of the Natural (I can't tell them apart - or care)

Not important

The Booker's Kid vs. Raven.

Raven jobs...what a shock. And to what end. Is Dusty Jr. being prepped to be fed to Jarrett?? God knows that makes sense. And where do you go with Raven from here, because he's effectively being buried.

The Fat Kids vs. Ron and Ding Dong Harris.

Wow - put Jarrett' buddies over the rookie talented kids. Good job Dusty

Monty Brown vs. Triton

Booking makes absolutely non sense given Brown's later turn. And makes Wilson look like a douche from the get-go because he can't get the jon done. Standard theory - No heel is allowed upstage the Planet Jarret

Abyss vs. Matt Hardy's brother.

Um....Ok. Sounds like every other Jeff Hardy match I've ever seen.

Kevin Nash vs The Outlaw (He's New Age!!!!!)

Welcome to 1989, you're booker Is Dusty Rhodes
Welcome to 1999, It's Kevin Nash vs. Billy Gunn

Make up your mind, either way you're still retarded.

I'd also like to point out that Nash is sorta fucked aswell, because he jobbed to Jarrett, and now can't get the job done against his lackey. And Gunn's got no-where to go because he's not allowed overshadow Jarrett

The UltimateX is still, in my mind, a bunch of guys trying to fall the best off a gighwire act, with minimal wrestling. And an embarrasment to boot. My guess is, they'll try and build up AJ as a contender to Jarrett, to try and butter him up before his contract expires and he seriously considers a WWE deal for the sake of his family. And because he's the only X-Division guy built in any way up, Daniels has no worthy challegers. Great move Dusty

Jarrett vs DDP is actually genius booking, frankly. NINE people interfere - despite it being a lumberjack match - meaning we talk about anything other than a PPV Main event we already saw five years ago. Monty Brown comes across as a douche for turning (and backstge wise - it's a stroke of genius, because Jarrett has now castrated the only real face in the company)

I counted six ref bumps in the PPV aswell.

The Shocker thing might be ok for TNA, but bear in mind a few things. TNA are desperate to have this Latino Star to rip-off Eddie Guerrero, which was where they were going with Hector Garza. It's not gonna be Shocker. They brought in Apollo for that. Shocker is gonna be "The guy from the McDonalds commercial" - the same way Fairplay's the guy from Survivor. Plus, this isn't the first time they brought in Shoker - the last time they did - he walked out befre he even started because they wanted him to job. Just saying


Mad Dog - March 14, 2005 01:35 PM (GMT)
Actually the CMLL owner freaked out on them and pulled Shocker and Negro Casas right before their first appearance.

Shocker's better than Garza or Apollo because he can actually work and speak English well.

dynamite kido - March 14, 2005 02:27 PM (GMT)
Shocker showing up was the best thing on this entire PPV.....

Big F'N Swigg - March 14, 2005 03:00 PM (GMT)
Admit it, DK, it's because he's 1000% guapo, isn't it?

dynamite kido - March 14, 2005 03:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TheBigSwigg @ Mar 14 2005, 09:00 AM)
Admit it, DK, it's because he's 1000% guapo, isn't it?

It's part of the reason, but only like 500% of it is because of the Guapo part.....

Mad Dog - March 14, 2005 03:16 PM (GMT)
I'm so happy about his signing. I've been yelling for years that a U.S. company needed to sign the guy.

dynamite kido - March 14, 2005 03:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mad Dog @ Mar 14 2005, 09:16 AM)
I'm so happy about his signing. I've been yelling for years that a U.S. company needed to sign the guy.

Me too. Sad thing is this about TNA though. Ask yourself this.....

Was he hired because of in ring talent? No.

Was he brought in because he is a star in Mexico? No

Was he brought in because Hector Garza was arrested for Steriods and deported and because he's in a McDonalds commercial? Yes.

kinda scary huh?

Mad Dog - March 14, 2005 03:23 PM (GMT)
Well they did want him in 2003 but the owner flaked out on them and wouldn't let him appear. So I think the original working relationship with AAA came from them not being able to work with CMLL.

Rhodes has also apparantly wanted the guy in for awhile.

whitemilesdavis - March 14, 2005 03:29 PM (GMT)
This show would look really good on free TV, because it seems to advance storylines pretty well. Better than Impact, as far as I can tell. The problem is that people buy PPV's to see the stories arc, and feuds blown off, not a good steady build.

dynamite kido - March 14, 2005 03:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mad Dog @ Mar 14 2005, 09:23 AM)
Well they did want him in 2003 but the owner flaked out on them and wouldn't let him appear. So I think the original working relationship with AAA came from them not being able to work with CMLL.

Rhodes has also apparantly wanted the guy in for awhile.

Well, I actually knew all that. I just found it funny on the PPV last night that they acted like his biggest claim to fame was the McD's commercial.

dynamite kido - March 14, 2005 03:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (whitemilesdavis @ Mar 14 2005, 09:29 AM)
This show would look really good on free TV, because it seems to advance storylines pretty well. Better than Impact, as far as I can tell. The problem is that people buy PPV's to see the stories arc, and feuds blown off, not a good steady build.

That's exactly a good way to sum up this show. Pretty terrible in ring stuff.....but it did advance several storylines. Too bad this PPV would have left a taste so bad in the mouth of someone ordering for the first time.......they probably won't order again though.

whitemilesdavis - March 14, 2005 03:40 PM (GMT)
True, which is a shame seeing as the last few have been so good. Personally, I am intrigued by the Brown turn, and I have said for a while that DDP would make the perfect transitional champ. Abyss gets turned into more of a monster, while Hardy reclaims the only title that ever brought him any acclaim: Risk Taker. Aside from Killings getting buried even deeper, it looks to me like things are headed in the right direction. Like I said though, a PPV is not the place to get things "headed in the right direction".

dynamite kido - March 14, 2005 04:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (whitemilesdavis @ Mar 14 2005, 09:40 AM)
Like I said though, a PPV is not the place to get things "headed in the right direction".

Exactly. I don't understand why they don't effectively try and do any angle advancement on Impact. Considering that Dusty actually gave a good explaination on the PPV as to why the guys that were chosen for the x-division match (He basically explained that he wanted to give shots to guys who never won the x-title.), I don't know why they wouldn't put an explaination like that on TV. Hell, they put the Sabin match on unannounced as well......WHY?

whitemilesdavis - March 14, 2005 04:32 PM (GMT)
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Considering that Dusty actually gave a good explaination on the PPV as to why the guys that were chosen for the x-division match


I wouldn't know. You see, I didn't get the PPV, so I had no freakin' clue why those guys were in the match. Looked completely random to me. Maybe had I known, I would have had more interest in watching it.

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Hell, they put the Sabin match on unannounced as well......WHY?


No clue. Sabin should be among the very elite X guys they push. Right up there with Daniels, AJ, and Petey. We know he can get over, but just like Killings, that doesn't seem to matter.

dynamite kido - March 14, 2005 05:01 PM (GMT)
I hope people realize these are some of the major reasons why people give up on this company. I don't understand when I can think of things for them to do on TV that would help the product, why the people there in charge with tons of wrestling experience can't figure them out. Maybe it's because Dusty is too busy writing how Traci and Trinity are going to fight over who gets to bone him. Or maybe because Jarrett is concerned with how he's going to go over everyone and keep the NWA title even though EVERYONE has to know right now that he needs to drop it.

whitemilesdavis - March 14, 2005 05:12 PM (GMT)
While I haven't given up on the company, I am now a casual observer at best. I rarely watch Impact, and only DL from PPV's what looks interesting to me. I keep up with the product in hopes that WWE will get some prime-time competiton, but in my mind, I can't see it happening.

dynamite kido - March 14, 2005 05:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (whitemilesdavis @ Mar 14 2005, 11:12 AM)
While I haven't given up on the company, I am now a casual observer at best. I rarely watch Impact, and only DL from PPV's what looks interesting to me. I keep up with the product in hopes that WWE will get some prime-time competiton, but in my mind, I can't see it happening.

Honestly, at this point.....I wouldn't blame you. Impact besides the Kash/Styles match they had two weeks ago......hasn't had any matches of value since at least before the Against All Odds PPV. Also, I don't even want to see them and the WWE on prime time against each other. That's a war that TNA wants zero parts of......

whitemilesdavis - March 14, 2005 05:42 PM (GMT)
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That's a war that TNA wants zero parts of......


Very, very true. But, I'm so apathetic towards WWE right now, that any change would be welcome. For me, it's been about 90% indy tapes lately.

dynamite kido - March 14, 2005 05:50 PM (GMT)
Well, I understand the apathy too as I feel as if I'm going to be horribly let down by Mania this year. BUT, I see what you mean about change.....but that change would be the nail in TNA's perverbial coffin. I know you obviously don't want THAT, but that's what would probably happen. Oh, and for that apathy problem......remember one thing PURO makes you happy!

whitemilesdavis - March 14, 2005 05:54 PM (GMT)
Puro is next on my list to dig into. Right now, I'm hitting the indies pretty hard, and I've got a couple of tapes coming my way. After that, it's Puro time. The funny thing is, though I care very little about any wrestling on Mainstream TV, I'm probably more into wrestling right now than I have been since the glory days of Mid-Atlantic.

dynamite kido - March 14, 2005 06:19 PM (GMT)
A little word to the wise......read reviews or articles related to the matches you are watching for the Puro stuff......it's easier to understand at first. Rolling Germans is a good site for reviews.....I know MadDog would agree....

D.A.V.E. - March 16, 2005 12:26 PM (GMT)
I didn't know it was Shocker's promoter who had him pulled from his previous TNA appearance. I wasn't being anti-TNA or anything. I still think though that he was brought back on account of his mainstream notoreity, and not his ringwork, which is awesome.


On the plus side, I dig Daniels being the X-Champ. He's a guy you can really build around, and I doubt he could have a bad program with anyone in the X-Division. And he's better than AJ The Slack Jawed Yokel anyday.

Mad Dog - March 16, 2005 12:50 PM (GMT)
Yeah, the CMLL promoter is a little nutty.

whitemilesdavis - March 16, 2005 01:40 PM (GMT)
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I didn't know it was Shocker's promoter who had him pulled from his previous TNA appearance. I wasn't being anti-TNA or anything. I still think though that he was brought back on account of his mainstream notoreity, and not his ringwork, which is awesome.


The reason he was brought in doesn't really matter does it? If he can work and get publicity, that can't be a bad thing.

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And he's better than AJ The Slack Jawed Yokel anyday.


I really don't understand the new online hate for AJ. I think he's the guy the whole promotion should be built around.

D.A.V.E. - March 16, 2005 01:56 PM (GMT)
I can't watch his promos. Or listen to them either.


Also, I think part of the legit backlash against him is because he's been torn between two camps - the one that says once his TNA is up, he should go to the WWE to get away from Jarrett, and also for the money - the other is telling him to stay, deal with the constant Push->Burial->Demotion to X-Division->Push cycle he's on, because God knows he won't ME PPV's in the WWE.

whitemilesdavis - March 16, 2005 02:01 PM (GMT)
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And he's better than AJ The Slack Jawed Yokel anyday.


Yeah, he's terrible on the mic. I just see him as more of a Benoit - "I do my talking in the ring" kind of guy.

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Also, I think part of the legit backlash against him is because he's been torn between two camps - the one that says once his TNA is up, he should go to the WWE to get away from Jarrett, and also for the money - the other is telling him to stay, deal with the constant Push->Burial->Demotion to X-Division->Push cycle he's on, because God knows he won't ME PPV's in the WWE.


He should go with who offers the most money.

Big F'N Swigg - March 16, 2005 02:24 PM (GMT)
See, I used to not like AJ way back in the day. I thought his winning the NWA Title was a bad idea because he wasn't "heavyweight" style, and he won some respect from me by changing his style a bit to fit the heavyweight division. I've always had problems with certain things of AJ's, though:

1)He chews gum in character.
-This isn't bad with some guys, but AJ chews gum like my dad, and that's just flat out annoying.

2)He's got the wrong kind of energy for his "character."
-He's supposed to be phenomenal, but I just don't see it in the way his character carries himself.

3) His promos are covered with his accent
-This usually isn't that much of an issue, but man, his accent is awkward. I don't sound that bad when I'm talking southern.

4)That damned pose he does
-As bad as Orton

Add to that the fact that he doesn't seem like a seasoned worker. His X-Division matches feel too rushed and planned.

Don't get me wrong, I like him, but I don't think he's as great as others have made him out to be.

D.A.V.E. - March 16, 2005 02:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (whitemilesdavis @ Mar 16 2005, 03:01 PM)


He should go with who offers the most money.

Exactly, and I think that's the only argument that matters, but I was recently reading these vehement anti-WWE boards, and it was like" AJ will betray us all if he goes to Vince" kinda shit

dynamite kido - March 16, 2005 02:32 PM (GMT)
I can firmly sit here and say he's at least in the top ten workers in the world though. I'm not going to defend the accent (although I've talked to him in person several times and his accent isn't as think as it is normally) as it does sound ackward and is a little out of place. Also, if you are ONLY judging his work on what you've seen in TNA.....then your wrong. Watch him wrestle in several places and THEN judge his work. his TNA stuff can be incredibly different than some of his other stuff.

whitemilesdavis - March 16, 2005 02:33 PM (GMT)
I would only agree with your #3. It may be partially because of his accent, but he also just sounds uncomfortable on the mic. I don't care about his gum, and his pose doesn't happen nearly as oftne as Orton, and it usually (unlike Orton) gets a response from the crowd.

About being a seasoned worker...I couldn't disagree more. In fact, I'd say at this point, AJ is the best worker in TNA with Daniels a close second. He can have a good match with anyone and is able to alter his style to fit his opponent.




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