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Hey, I give a shit about it

I changed it for you. :ph43r:

Hey, last year it produced my favorite match of the year. So I wouldn't put it down so quick.

Last year's card was just a complete disaster minus that match.

I gotta agree with you there. But that match was fucking amazing.

I also care about it......because I'm going. Luxury boxes + free tickets = I care.

Speaking of which, last night on Heat, they plugged the Wrestlemania Revenge tour - Smackdown, In Dublin, April 21. Whoo-Hoo!!!!!

I really can't justify spending time, let alone money, on the wwe anymore. I simply don't care for it. But at least they are trying to elevate new guys... But back to the point... what PPV do you all speak of?

LFV, I really don't understand that kind of attitude. I will admit easily that the WWE isn't the greatest thing going or anything of the sorts, but why would you as a wrestling fan quit watching? I understand if you didn't want to spend your money on it, but quit watching alltogether? Maybe it's just ME that doesn't get it......

With me, I haven't watched it in months. For 2 reasons: 1) No cable. 2) when I was watching it, it was just because it was wrestling.

I DL iMPACT when I remember and WWE just doesn't catch my attention anymore. All the guys I want to see are relegated to tag matches or HEAT/Velocity. There's no real point to it for me. At least with TNA, I'll get to see good matches on PPV, and I'll be satisfied with some decisions. With WWE, I get angrier every match because guys that could have a shot are all getting beaten by guys who don't need/already have had/shouldn't have gotten a shot.

Swiggy I even question you on this one then.

1) I understand you don't have cable, so that's fine.

Also, how can you say that about pushing guys that don't need to be/already had a push/shoudn't have gotten a push.....and you watch TNA?!?! They do it worse than the WWE does for christ's sake.

But most people see the pushing of Monty Brown and AJ Styles as better than the pushing of Randy Orton and John Cena. I'd personally take Orton or Cena over Brown, but AJ is in a totally different class altogether.

People also act like AJ is the sole property of TNA. Meanwhile he wrestles on Indies elsewhere so if you like AJ, there are other outlets to see him other than TNA. So basically, TNA is a watered down version of AJ besides his PPV stuff these days. Plus, if you are judging a company by the top two pushes they have going for them........then you aren't much of a wrestling fan are ye?

I haven't outright ordered a WWE PPV since Unforgiven last year. I just don't care anymore. I'll obviously get Wrestlemania since it's Wrestle fucking Mania, but otherwise, I don't care.

DK-Basically, other than Batista, I would only watch WWE for Rhyno, Benoit, and Guerrero. The push thing isn't the best way to say it. It's more that I would rather not watch 3 minute matches with 20 minute promos. I know TNA is almost as bad as WWE with this, but they at least have decent lengthed matches on the PPV
And to be on topic:

The Barbed-Wire cage match looks like a go

The JBL title reign just becomes more and more of a sick joke.

I can't believe that they're actually giving him this long of a reign without actually giving him a push or clean wins.

THIS is the problem with JBL IMO, not with his matches. He's been a terribly booked champion. Also, because I say he's not HORRIBLE in the ring does not mean that I equate him with guys like Mysterio/Benoit/Guerrero. But it is REALLY shocking of the way that he's been booked. They've basically figured out a way to have a champion that never has to go over the guys with the "creative control" clause if you will. Smart for the booking, bad for buyrates and house show attendance.

Oh, I could understand that too Swiggy. See here is my point about it. When I am watching the WWE I know that is NOT what you should expect. As a wrestling fan I have come to terms with the fact that if I wanna see great wrestling, I go with Indy's or Japan. Not to say that WWE doesn't occasionally put on some really kick ass matches......but not enough for my tastes.

JJJ

Well JJJ HAS proved that he sucked when he was supposed to carry good opponents. JBL has done well against people that are better than him.

SO obviously we see where JJJ is on my HATE list.....

I watched SmackDown! this week and there's a PPV this sunday. It guess it hasn't been built well as not many people are talking about it but there's...

WWE Championship
Barbed Wired Steel Cage Match
John Bradshaw Layfield © vs. Big Show

No. 1 Contender Tournament Final Match
Singles Match
John Cena vs. Kurt Angle

WWE Tag Team Championship Match
Basham Brothers © vs. Eddie Guerrero & Rey Mysterio

WWE Cruiserweight Championship
Six Man Elimination Match
Funaki © vs. Akio vs. Chavo Guerrero vs. Paul London vs. Shannon Moore vs. Spike Dudley

Singles Match
Undertaker vs. Luther Reigns

Singles Match
Booker T vs. Heidenreich

Cena/Angle looks interesting for me as I watched their match at No Mercy and it was entertaining.

Bashams/Eddie & Rey looks interesting as we have the companies best tagging with each other against some solid wrestlers. I enjoyed Bashams/Guerreros back in 03 so I guess this will also be good.

The Cruiserweight match should be 'fun', but I'm hoping Akio can win for them to book Akio/London at 'Mania XXI. I can dream can't I? <_<

I merged the topics....

I also gave it the No Way Out title so someone else wouldn't make one by mistake.

anyway.....back on topic....

Well, this PPV looks pretty mediocre to me......and I'm gonna be there. It might seem weird, but I'm still shocked at the lack of promotion of this show. Apparently they thing people are going to order this based on a cage match, but apparently if people aren't paying to see it in Pittsburgh(I've heard tickets are selling horrible, and they are constantly offering large numbers of free tickets on the radio), then why the hell would anyone order on PPV? Well their halfassed promotion pretty much guarantee's the lowest buyrate in company PPV history or at the very least ONE of the worst. But, at this point they pull in ENOUGH money from the PPV's so I guess that's all they are concerned with at this point. Oh, well......at least I got free luxury box seats.....bitches!

Well, No Way Out usually pulls through with one big match a year (except for 2002 which just sucked period). I honestly didn't know that there was a PPV tomorrow night, mainly because I've watched Smackdown onbce all month (the Japan show), and Velocity has been ignoring it.

Rey vs. Chavo was far from a disaster.

I think we've seen Rey/Chavo enough times for it to not be a factor in the rating. The first 90 or so minutes of the show was a complete garbage dump.

Gotta love those house show cards being used for PPVs.

Regardless of that, it was still a good contest. And anyway, before NWO, they hadn't had a lot of matches together so it was a relatively fresh one.

The Smackdown 6 from September-December 2002 they've probably fought at least 15 times during the Rey/Edge v. Guerreros v. Benoit/Angle angle that really didn't do anything for anyone.

In tag team competition, but not singles one on one. Also, throughout 2003 they were both faces so they didn't to my recollection face each other. And by just knocking down the rating because they've wrestled against each other in the past comes off a bit silly to me. Benoit and Angle had several matches leading into Rumble, yet that is still a great match up.

Personally I thought SD6 featured the best in ring stuff that the WWE produced on television. I never enjoyed the WWE as much as I did SmackDown! in this period.

Not knocking down the rating, but when you see two people wrestle so much, you don't really care. Triple H and Rocky fought so many times from the last half of 1999 through middle of 2000, that by the time Wrestlemania came around, it didn't matter, because they've fought enough times that it's starting to get boring.

True, but when they haven't faced each other (Rey and Chavo) for over a year, I couldn't see how it became boring. I can easily see now, but not when NWO came around last year. Especially when a good match comes out of it.

I think also the angle going into it kinda ruined the match as well (putting too much focus on Chavo Sr. and that crazy mexican boxer who Rey introduced on TV). It was still a good match, but nothing that made me go "wow".

I agree on both counts that the match was 'good' rather than 'wow', and that the Boxer and Classic may have been involved in the build up too much.

So...

Anyone watching? The results don't sound too good from Meltzer so far...

I heard Eddie & Rey won the Tag Titles... and thats about it. The show looked like shit on paper.

<---doesn't care about No Way Out... except London better win the CW Title!

Tag Titles- The Bashams © vs Eddy Guerrero & Rey Mysterio

Eddy and Danny start. Eddy with some mat basics and tags to Rey. Rey uses his quickness, but gets caught in the Basham corner. Rey gets away and Eddy is back in. Doug out and Danny in and Danny takes over with a straight jacket choke. Doug back in and works over Eddy with punches and a powerslam. Doug whiffs on a move and Rey is back in. Rey gets caught by a switch up by the Bashams and Danny takes over with a full nelson, followed by a reverse bearhug. More double teaming on Rey. Doug goes for a suplerplex, but Mysterio counters and hits a moonsault. Rey is unable to capitolize and the Bashams hit a doible team X-factor/inverted Rydenbomb. Rey isn't down for long though and tags Eddy. Eddy and Rey take over. Eddy goes to cheat, but Rey stops him. Edyy goes up for a frog splash, but Doug moves and Eddy rolls through. It gets wild with many attempts to cheat, but Eddy gets hold of a belt after Rey tosses it in, nails Doug. 1-2-3. New champs.
Winners- Eddy & Rey Rey

Carlito comes in to Teddy Long's office. CCC tells Long his job may be in jeapordy.

The Divas are introduced for the rookie contest. Voting is now open (there's voting on this?).

Booker T vs Heidenriech

Heidenriech starts off with a poem and then Booker is out. JH takes over early with a clothesline. Booker counters with a kick. On the outside now and Booker slams JH's head off of the steps. Back in and Boker hits a kick for 2. Heidenriech comes back with punches and a clothesline. JH on Booker with a wristlock and biting. Booker gets out, but JH is back to the wristlock. Booker is back out and hits a spinebuster. Spinaroonie and Booker goes for the scissor kick. It misses and JH goes to hit Booker, but falls to the outside. Suddenly Heidenriech pulls out a chair and nails Booker in the throat. DQ. Heidenriech then acts all *ahem* "crazy".
Winner- Booker T

Cruiserweight title- Funaki © vs Paul London vs Akio vs Spike Dudley vs Shannon Moore vs Chavo Guererro
Gauntlet rules. London and Funaki to start off. Funaki is quickly eliminated after Spike interferes. Spike is in next, but Funaki hits him with a superkick and London makes the pin. Spike is gone. Moore is in next and is soon pinned by a London 450 splash. Akio in and he's all over London. In the corner and Akio pulls out a figure-four neck lock. Back in and Akio goes for a superplex. London counters with a top rope neckbreaker and the ref starts the 10 count. London is up at 9, but continues to count Akio out (wtf?). Akio is eliminated. Chavo in now and goes for a quick pin on London. London kicks out repeatedly. London takes over and pulls out a dragon suplex! Only 2 though. London goes for a roll up, but Chavo rolls through and grabs the ropes. Ref doesn't see it and Chavo steals the Cruiserweight title.
Winner- Chavo Guererro

Batista's appearance on Smackdown is covered.

More of the Divas stuff.

Interview with JBL.

Luther Reigns vs The Undertaker
Jindrack is thrown out before the match even begins. UT then makes a very drawn out entrance. Very drawn out. UT unloads with punches to start. Old school, followed by Hassan's WMD (TM Scott Keith). Reigns removes a turnbuckle cover while UT is preoccupied with the ref. Back and forth now until UT whips Reigns into the exposed turnbuckle. UT with a legdrop on the ring apron. Reigns now begs off and then nails a lowblow. Luther sends 'taker into the exposed turnbuckle head first. Luther takes over with brawling and suplex. Elbow for two, followed by a single leg crab. UT fights out with punches and kicks, followed by a clothesline for 2. Taker whips Luther into the ropes, but Luther counters with a spear. Reigns goes for his neckbreaker finisher (Chris Daniels Last Rights), but is out. Vintage UT followed by a chokeslam. Tombstone attempt is countered though, with an inverted DDT. Reigns again goes for his finish, but waits too long and UT nails a DDT. Tombstone follows and you know the rest.
Winner- The Undertaker


LONDON GOT FUCKING ROBBED!

What a fuckin joke. 9 minutes for the Cruiserweight match? Quick finishes. This is absurd. I didn't get to watch the show, but how many time did the Divas' suck-up? I'd be willing to bet more than 9 minutes. And how early did the show go off the air? I'd be willing to bet more than 5 minutes. That match should've been 20 minutes at a minimum, especially in a gauntlet style. Bullshit.

Not to mention London not going over.

Last years WM XX Gauntlet was a joke in time, this pretty much took the cake from it. I'm glad I didn't order this pile of shit.