Wow... 3 60 minute draws over the course of a month. 2 in the same weekend.

That is a bit of overkill

Yeah. Overkill for sure. When Punk and Joe did it, it was something special. When Punk and Daniels did it, still cool, but now? Overplayed. Totally overplayed.

It's going to be fun when they train their crowds to not pop until about 20 minutes into a match like All Japan did.

That'll never happen on the indy scene. Too many "oohhh, the skinny guy just did a flippy!" or "OH! HE DROPPED HIM ON HIS HEAD!" moments.

60 minute broadways happened all the time in territory days. But unlike territory era NWA, everything is taped and spread all over the internet. So instead of being for one hometown crowd see the match, now everyone knows about it.

Forgivemy relative ROH-lack of knowledge, since the stuff I watch is on the Wrestling Channell and anything between 3/6 months out of date - but isn't this whole thing part of Danielsen's gimmick?

I justed watched a ROH recap vid on YouTube from when they were in England recently. During a Danielson/Nigel match Nigel gets his head fucked up on the ringpost and it swells to the size of a damn softball. Sick.

I happen to really enjoy the 60 minute time limit draws. Seems kind of baseless to bitch about it. Danielson is getting closer and closer to losing, it seems to me, kayfabe wise.

Reportedly Danielson seperated his shoulder 10 minutes into his match on Saturday night, and still worked it all the way to the 60 minute draw. No mention yet how much time he could miss.

There IS a reason to bitch about it. It's lazy fucking booking.

I dug it when Joe/Punk were doing it, but now it's too much. They aren't the old school territories and they ain't All Japan. PERIOD.

I don't see why this is worth getting upset about either. From the reports I've heard, the matches are dramatic, and long matches are a part of Danielson's act. Besides, it helps put over his opponents, making them look on his level. Lack of star power has been a major bitching point of ROH's fans as of late, so this works towards establishing main eventers besides just Danielson.

I can't believe reportedly tremendous 60 minute matches are what the big complaint is this week.

I haven't seen any of the matches, or really any ROH at all lately, so whatever. It just seems to me like doing constant 60 minute draws, regardless of match quality, makes them less important. If ANYONE can take him to a draw, then he can't be that dominant. Plus it's like "Oh, another draw. Whatever. Call me when he loses the belt."

At least to me.

I see what you're saying, but I think the whole purpose of this is to make it seem like Danielson is on the verge of losing the title. After a year or so, it can get to a point where "Why bother watching, Danielson is just going to retain" but now there's a real feeling that his reign could be winding down. And even if it doesn't, and he holds onto the belt for another six months, then at least we had the memories :P

I just personally love it. That's just my style. I like draws, and especially 60 minute draws.

On Saturday Night in Lawrence, KS, I saw AJ Styles and Dingo (local worker) go to a 20 minute draw, and get a massive "5 More Minutes" chant. It was awesome, and the place came unglued when Dingo pinned Styles after about 6 Flair-Steamboat pinfall reversals.

I enjoy draws, and while they did it two nights in a row, it tells a consistent story, in both Danielson's ability and conditioning, the fact that he is getting close to losing, and to me, it is a hell of a selling point as well. I would love to see a Danielson 60 minute draw. I'd pay for the ticket, were it anywhere near my area. So there ya go.

I really love the fact that they're giving the fans their money's worth. I just think doing it two nights in a row is a bit of overkill.

As for the idea that this may be helping people, It could help, but that depends on who he's going sixty minutes with. It could actually hurt his overness if it's with the wrong person.

It lessens the importance of those matches and it comes off as a big ego stroke fest when you do it 3 times over the course of a month.

I agree 100% on that. Plus, if you need to do hour draws to feel that is the best way to give fans their money's worth......you need to rethink your entire booking strategy.

On a side note to Rowe, although a 60 minute matches does make the matches dramatic, we'll be slaughtered by the girlfriends if we get a 60 minute broadway when we go in November.

Looks like there won't be any "60 minute broadways" for you two then.

Bah! My girlfriend is a very good sport, my only concern is if ROH decides to do a street fight/bunkhouse. I don't think she'd enjoy the gore.

Although my girlfriend would. That's the only reason why she goes to wrestle shows. We both know she only goes in hopes that someone is going to get busted open.

Apparently you guys both missed my attempt at subtle humor. By 60 minute broadway I was referring to getting some ass.

Thank Ted, that was the joke.

Yeah, I got it too, I was just saying that my girlfriend wouldn't probably be too upset with a 60 minute match to the point where there wouldn't be any "sixty minute broadways" in my immediate future, I just didn't outright say that because that's the type of thing she'd be likely to say "why are you talking about that at a wrestling message board with a group of people who are strangers to me."

To which you'd obviously respond, "Mind your business woman. Now get back in the kitchen and finish my biscuits."....Right?

I can see her saying that.

To which she'd obviously reply, "Why are you talking about that at a wrestling message board with a group of people who are strangers to me? Mind your business Ernie. Now get back in the kitchen and finish my biscuits!" Then she'd throw an NES cartridge at his head and belittle him until he cried and made her some biscuits.

Haha, yeah, that would go over real well...

What? You mean your women don't stay in the kitchen and fix biscuits? Crazy Northerners

Yeah, we have some crazy beliefs about love and relationships. Hell, she isn't even my cousin.

Only people in Kentucky marry their cousins. Well, there and Arkansas.

We southern men know where women belong, though. And we know how to make sure they know their place, too

Ah, The Embassy would enjoy performing in front of Southern audiences.

::Gives Swiggy an Alabama Man toy for xmas::

No their usually too busy blowing us.

Fuck the South bitch. The North won the civil war too.

North - 2

South - 0

You forgot West Virginia.

My grandpa is from West Virginia. I didn't forget, I just ignored.

And DK, you know what they say. The North may have won, but like Zombies, the SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!!!!

This is from Housekeeping Monthly from 1955. It's "How to be a Good Wife."

So... this thread is terribly off track. Shall an admin transfer this to the Flame Wars or what?

That's what I'm talking about.

And yes, I think it would be incredibly smart of ROH to move south. At least the fans would appreciate 60 minute matches without "this is awesome" chants every 5 minutes

Southern fans would shit all over the style of match worked in RoH.

Exactly. Because they couldn't put voodoo curses on people, hate them because of their race, or because they are queer.

I actually hung that on my fridge a couple of years back. Didn't go over with the wife nearly as good as you'd think.


ROH would have some trouble getting over in the South. I don't think the match length woud be a problem. It's just that the south appreciates kayfabe, and ROH is pretty much the opposite of that.

I think the style would be a problem too. It's too ego stroking and Southern fans would see right through that. Kayfabe as mentioned before is a very weak point for RoH. It's just too fake and contrived across the board.