Stealing this from another board, as 90% of the people there said Finlay, and I just don't see it.

This could be good fodder as we prepare for the DWB Top 100.

Right now, I'd have to say Danielson, maybe followed by Joe.

I see Finlay as a servicable worker, but certainly not best in the world.

Finlay is ONE of the best, make no mistake about it.

But I'm sticking with the a guy that was in the CO position last year for me.

Samoa Joe.

I'd say Danielson right now as well.

Dude, I love me some Am Drag don't get me wrong.

But in the last year, Joe's passed him on almost every way he can. Joe worked a solid program (even IN THE RING) with Scott Steiner. Plus, he's made plenty good with his other stuff as well. Not to mention his Indy stuff. Danielson isn't even #2 as far as I'm concerned.

My top 10:

• 1. Samoa Joe
  2. WOULDN"T YOU LIKE TO KNOW?!?! YoU'LL ALL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE DWB TOP 100!!! AHHAHHHAHHAHH!!!!

There aren't many (or maybe any) guys that have participated in what I can say are 2 MOTY canidates this year, with the exception of Bryan Danielson.

His match with Strong was wonderful.

His match with Lance Storm was (for me) vastly underrated and really freaking good. Told a great story througout.

I think KENTA/Marafuji v Joe/Danielson was a bit overrated, but was still frickin awesome as well.

I also really enjoyed Danielson/Delerious v Rave/Shelley from DragonGate Challenge as well.

The fact that he had the Strong and Storm match on back to back nights just leaves me in awe of his conditioning, and his ability to mix it up in the ring. Two totally different matches, and almost 90 minutes of total ring time. Not to MENTION, the INCREDIBLE promo he had WITH Joe on Better Than Our Best.


Now, I would pick Danielson, and thats without seeing his next three matches, which I'm sure aren't shabby. He faces Delerious on '100th Show', Jimmy Yang on 'Weekend of Champions Night 1', and then frickin Nigel McGuinness on 'Weekend of Champions Night 2'. If he wasn't set in stone before seeing these, give me about a week to watch them, and I'll really be clamoring for him.

I have seen no Aguayo, and very little Albright or Liger from the past year, so I can't comment on those.

KENTA was also in my consideration, and I'd probably have him 3rd right now bend AMDrag and Joe. I'll be honest though, I don't see how Mysterio could be a consideration for this year. I just thin his title run has been dreadful.

I know I can just not read it, but I'd really rather not see anyone's top 10s or anything else until we all submit our lists. I just don't want it to be influenced.

Hmmm yeah. A little mystery is a good thing.

Nice edit.

Quite maniacal too, I must say.

I can, and it's not even Joe.

KENTA.

As I said, there aren't many. But yes, I would agree with you. I'd probably put Roderick Strong in there as well.

Just a question:

Is this list like, a "Best of 06" or "Best since the last list"? I'm curious what the timeframe is here, as there are some major players who haven't seen mainstream (ROH, TNA, WWE) ring action in 06, namely CM Punk.

Actually that wasn't be DWB Top 100 Top 10.


(Word from WMD: I think Mad Dog got depressed because I edited his post. Just check out this beauty of an incoherent post. He's obviously drunk.)

Joe, Danielson, Finlay, Mysterio, Benoit, Sasaki, and Perrito are all up there I'd say.

Just top worker, or as in PWI style top 100?

Either way, Joe is at the top of the list. PWI style, Edge would be number one right now.

But if we're talking about working a match, no matter where the person is on a roster...

Val Venis (OK, first name that came to my mind, but Venis would still be at the top of the list.) CM Punk and Samoa Joe are also on the top of the list for best workers right now.

PWI style would probably have John Cena on the top of the list. Even though Edge has won two WWE titles, the total time of his two reigns is currently about a month and a week.

Cena was champion for close to five months and won in the Wrestlemania main event. I think Edge will definitley be in the top five, but not number one.

I'd have to go with Joe right now too.

PWI would list Cena as number one, but Edge would be number one in a PWI style list, that wasn't actually PWI.

I'm a jerk -- Christopher Daniels is also one of the best workers right now.

Daniels can't touch the guys at the top of this list......I couldn't even seriously put him in a top 10 in the world.

I agree with DK, which is unfortunate because I'm a long time fan of Daniels.

I mean Daniels as a worker is one of the best. Daniels is being pushed to the moon like Joe as a threat, but he's still a better worker overall. (In the same way I would rate Val Venis as one of the best workers today.)

If you think Daniels is a better worker than Joe.........you've officially lost your mind.

They're on the same level for wrestling abilities, chemistry, and pschology. I would put Daniels over Joe in the aspect that Daniels is a better bumper and is better on the mic; but then agian, Joe hasn't had has much of a chance on the mic as Daniels, and Joe is being booked as a monster, so he doesn't need to make bumps look as clean.

The way Daniels wrestles, everyone else in the match looks good, too. When Joe wrestles, Joe looks good.

That's why I look at it in the aspect that Daniels is a better worker; but, Joe is probably the better wrestler.

...If that makes any sense.

I appreciate your thought process on that, but I disagree on almost every point. For one, I think Joe is a much better promo than Daniels. I wouldn't even put Daniels above Joe in bumping.

I couldn't disagree more on everything here.....

Joe's wrestling abilites totally dwarf Daniels. He can fly at his size, he can work against anyone, and he's credible against anyone. Daniels isn't and that's why they haven't moved him out of the x-divison/tag division. I would put AJ as being more credible than Daniels in that regard as well. Joe's a better bumper, better on the mic and Joe comes off like a monster. Daniels couldn't get booked like that no matter what.

Apparently you haven't seen any of the Joe/Steiner feud and how many guys that Joe made credible during his ROH title run.

Joe's the better worker AND wrestler. Joe can have matches that go to the 60 mintues mark and are remarkable. I've seen Daniels do it and they are terrible. The pacing is off and it's totally just to go long. Joe's matches come off as wars that are of epic proportion at that point.


I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, but I have no clue how ANYONE who knows what they are talking about could even say jokingly that Daniels is better than Joe.

Joe is also eight years younger than Daniels now. Daniels probably should start slowing down his pace, while Joe can pick it up.

After watching some stuff online, I am of the opinion thta KENTA should be getting more consideration. God, that guy is great. I would kill to see him in TNA.

Another thing I want to point out for the sake of our upcoming list. If there is someone you're not sure about, try searching for them on youtube. There's a ton of stuff there, and probably enough to form an opinion on a lot of guys.

I've been screaming the KENTA love for sometime now.

I would easily put him above Danielson as his name was getting thrown around a lot in this thread earlier as a #1.

The Orlando TNA crowd would totally soil themselves if they were to see a KENTA/Low Ki match...

Along with myself.


I've still got Am Drag at 1, but Kenta is closing in on Joe at 2.

I still can't see how anyone can HONESTLY put Am Drag above Joe.....

Have you watched the last 5 or 6 ROH releases?

Because that is what made me put Danielson at #1, over Joe. And I have KENTA at 3, and he would probably surpass Joe if not for the total lack of exposure. He has only wrestled in the U.S. about 4 times in the last year, and two of them won't hit DVD for 3 months.

In all fairness I haven't. But I'm sure that the level of BD's competition is better than what Joe has been facing.

Let me ask this then. WHAT exactly has it been that has put BD over the top to you?

For me, it is more great matches this year. Joe hasn't been in the position to deliver great matches every night, and that drops him to 2 on my list, for now anyway.

Well, in all fairness that has more to do with who he's booked against than it does in a drop in Joe's skill.

No, I TOTALLY agree with that. I wouldn't shock me at all for Joe to be #1 next year after moving away from the squashes and such. I like Joe a lot better, and would rather watch Joe, but if I stack their matches side by side for this year, I have to go with Danielson.

I beleive I already gave a bit of a Danielson explanation, maybe in this thread or another.

Taking a quick look....

I really don't know what else to say, and feel that sums up pretty well why he is the best in the world.

If you wanted something more specific, it was his combination of incredible matches that had him secured near the top. However, his promo on Better Than Our Best, with Joe, just skyrocketed him. I'd never seem him in all his heel goodness, and he was a real dick in this whole thing. Makes me so happy to see now that he cost Joe in the Cage of Death, and now faces him next month.

Just to add another point:

In TNA, sure. But on the same ROH releases that I speak of, Joe has had the following opponents:

Colt Cabana, Christopher Daniels, Daniels & Jimmy Jacobs, and Styles/Daniels/Yang

Compared to Danielson's string of: Alex Shelley, Roderick Strong, Lance Storm, and Shelley/Rave

I'd called it comparable if anything, and the fact of the matter is: Joe hasn't stepped up and delivered any knockout matches, while Danielson nis just peeling them off left and right. Now I still haven't watch the next 3 releases, so we shall see.

And I know, we can get into a discussion about Joe being a team player, and not trying to steal the show when they could, or it being a results of booking, or all that. Frankly, that is all part of wrestling, and we don't control that, so I can't really let it affect my rankings.

But I will also throw out there that someone can still be a better worker even though someone else has had better matches than them all year. That's the point I'm making in all of this. Maybe this will make more sense....

If Joe was putting out consistant *** matches with say Scott Steiner, but yet Dragon was pulling **** matches against say AJ Styles. What says more?

It really all depends. At this point I have to go the old "personal preference" route, an d move on. Besides, I've got them 1 and 2 either way you cut it. That is high ranking for both..or I could be swerving everybody and when the actual vote comes out vote Steiner #1.

To be honest, I'm not even doing one of these this year.