Title: Old School Discussion #2: Tuesday In Texas
Description: December 3rd, 1991 - San Antonio, TX
Scrooge McSuck - January 9, 2005 09:09 PM (GMT)
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WWF TUESDAY IN TEXAS:
- WWF World Championship ReMatch: Hulk Hogan def. The Undertaker © at 13:07 to win his 4th World Championship. The title would be declared Vacant shortly after.
- "Macho Man" Randy Savage def. Jake "The Snake" Roberts at 6:28. Roberts attacked Savage after the match with 3 DDT's and threatened Elizabeth.
- WWF Intercontinental Championship Match: Bret "Hitman" Hart © def. Skinner at 13:47 with the Sharpshooter.
- The British Bulldog def. The Warlord at 12:49 with a Crucifix roll up.
- Ted Dibiase & The Repo Man def. Virgil & "El Matador" Tito Santana at 11:18 when Ted Dibiase pinned Virgil. |
For people who were already fans of WWF back in 1991 (raises hand as one), at the 1991 Survivor Series, this show was promoted very heavily throughout, which kinda made it pointless to order the Survivor Series. Roberts and Savage was built up with interviews at the show and the Undertaker defeated Hulk Hogan for the World Title in a not so decisive fassion.
Although the show was only 5 matches, the live crowd was able to see a bunch of garbage matches as dark matches. The PPV only ran about 1 hr. 45 minutes, so I think it's safe to assume it was only around $14.95 and not the $24.95 WWF traditionally charged for non-Wrestlemania shows at the time.
We already know how the Main Event came about, and of course EVERYONE should know about the Savage vs. Roberts match. At the episode of Superstars 4 days before Survivor Series, Jake Roberts baited Savage into the ring from the commentary table (Savage had "retired" and became a PBP man for Superstars), where he attacked him and unleashed a King Cobra on him. With Savage stuck in the ropes, Roberts had the snake bite Savage, making Randy the ballsiest man on earth.
As for the rest of the undercard... The Intercontinental Title match was simply thrown together as Hart was going through his "fightingest Champion ever" routine, which he would use again as the World Champion in 1992-93. Skinner was promoted as "undefeated", despite losing countless matches in the months leading up to the show...
The Walord and Davey Boy had been feuding for all of 1991 in a Strong Man vs. Strong Man angle, and actually had physical confrontations at EVERY PPV in 1991 (Rumble, WM VII, SSlam, SSeries, TIT). This was actually their best match, which really isn't saying much...
Virgil had recently lost his Million Dollar Title back to Ted Dibiase at (I believe) the 1991 Survivor Series Showdown that aired in the place of Primetime Wrestling. Dibiase had purchased the help of the debuting Repo Man (Barry Darsow, a.k.a Demolition Smash) to get the title back, setting up a match where Virgil simply picked fellow Jobber, Tito Santana (as El Matador... don't ask), and that's all.
Overall a fun show, but nothing really worth tracking down except for the Savage/Roberts stuff. This show can be found on a Coliseum Video titled "Supertape '92", which also includes a profile of the Undertaker (and matches of him squashing Greg Valentine and Jimmy Snuka), a decent 8-Man Tag between the Boss Man, LOD, and Jim Niedhart vs. Earthquake, The Mountie, and the Nasty Boys, and finally Bret Hart defending the title against I.R.S.
dynamite kido - January 9, 2005 10:43 PM (GMT)
I'll post some thoughts on the show. I definately ordered this back in the day......I thought that PPV on a Tuesday was about the coolest thing ever when I was 12. But I remember the Skinner/Hart match actually being pretty solid, even considering I don't really EVER remember the two feuding at all. Also, the Hogan/Undertaker match is fucking awful. I never thought they meshed well together.....little did I realize that they would have a way worse match than this one years later when Hogan returned to the WWE. The only thing that really bothered me about this show though is the lame blowoff of the awesome Roberts/Savage feud. IMO, this was one of the best fued's the WWF/WWE ever has done and to basically blow it off with a 6:28 match is mindboggling. I never will understand that I guess.......
dynamite kido - January 9, 2005 10:43 PM (GMT)
Scrooge McSuck - January 9, 2005 10:45 PM (GMT)
I don't think the feud had an official blow-off. They basically had the same match at the 2/92 Saturday Night's Main Event, with Savage going over clean, which lead to the Roberts/Undertaker program at Wrestlemania VIII.
About Taker/Hogan... is it me, or did the two REALLY not cooperate much in that match. Just seemed like everything was fucked up/botched.
dynamite kido - January 9, 2005 10:52 PM (GMT)
Well put it this way. Roberts/Savage SHOULD have been blownoff. Maybe that's why I'm so bitter about it.
I have no clue what the hell happen's between Hogan/Taker......they NEVER....EVER....worked each other good. I don't know why they had as many matches against each other. Hell, as far as I'm concerned.....they probably only should have fought once. Then they should have had the two avoid each other like the plague.
Scrooge McSuck - January 9, 2005 10:56 PM (GMT)
At least they only had 1 TV match in 2002... and damn was that match horrible (Judgement Day 2002 Main Event, of course). I'm a Super-Hogan-Mark, but even I'm going to admit that match was ass-ugly.
I do wish though I had a handheld copy of Hogans MSG Return (sometime in of June 2002 I think) where he fought The Undertaker for the World Title, which is really the only match between them I'd want to see voluntarily.
Mad Dog - January 9, 2005 11:01 PM (GMT)
The problem with Taker/Hogan is Taker's no selling. It doesn't work within the confines of a Hogan match. It screws up the flow and makes Hogan's ultimate comeback meaningless when Taker just no sells it.
Scrooge McSuck - January 9, 2005 11:07 PM (GMT)
Kinda like the (short-lived) Warrior/Undertaker feud. Warrior is the master of no selling and making a superman comeback, and The Undertaker os the ruler of no selling everything.
I did love it when Undertaker stuffed the Warrior in his custom coffin though, even when it first happend. :)
Mad Dog - January 9, 2005 11:11 PM (GMT)
I think they really dropped the ball huge on Virgil too. He wasn't championship material but they could've gotten so much more out of his face turn.
Plus I loved the match where he won the Million Dollar Title.
Scrooge McSuck - January 9, 2005 11:12 PM (GMT)
Check out any of his matches from 1993-94 where he's booked against some big guy he has no chance in hell of beating. The crowd was still very into him and got behind the dude for every match, even though he lost most of them fairly easy. On tape, I have matches of him vs. Adam Bomb, Crush (freshly turned), and Diesel from the Fall of 93 through his final appearence in the Spring of 94.
Peter North - January 15, 2005 11:33 PM (GMT)
Yeah, I thought the prospect of a PPV on a Tuesday was awesome at the time. Not as exciting to me as the Clashes, as I was a bit more into WCW at the time, but still pretty exciting. The matches, as a bunch of you have already said, were lacking, and absolutely nothing was blown off. You'd think if they're going to nail you for a few more bucks, they'd wrap something up. Nope, we get a title change that's reversed two days later, and a bunch of mid-card matches.
Benoit is God - January 21, 2005 03:10 AM (GMT)
I am a big fan of the Bret-Skinner match. It's not great, but it's still a fun little Bret formula match with a good crowd.
Haven't seen the rest of the card.
jamiegeist - February 17, 2005 07:47 PM (GMT)
I loved this Era in WWF. The Savage/Roberts feud is one of my favorites. Roberts' turn was just creepy as hell with his vignettes with the Warrior, training him for the Taker. That handlebar mustache and mullet didn't hurt things either.
I was thinking, people were bitching about Savage/Roberts not being blown off adequately (which that Saturday Nights Main Event was the official blowoff - Savage wins clean, Jake goes to assault them but Taker makes the save...weird face turn, but it was all good...anyway!) I think that the Warrior-Taker feud needed to be blownoff. Honestly, did they ever have a TV match stemming from all of their stuff?
I saw Warrior vs. Undertaker at the Kansas Coloseum in Wichita, KS somewhere around 91. I remember that was so cool. I was on the entrance railing while they brawled in the aisle. I suppose it is hard to book a blowoff when the crackhead Warrior just picks up and leaves whenever he feels like it.
Scrooge McSuck - February 17, 2005 07:51 PM (GMT)
They've never fought on National television, but have wrestled at the Maple Leaf Gardens (around May '91) and Madison Square Garden (7/1/91), which were broadcasted on local stations at the time.
jamiegeist - February 17, 2005 07:56 PM (GMT)
Thats a shame there was no blowoff at all. Don't tell Vince. He'll probably call Warrior.
Scrooge McSuck - February 17, 2005 07:58 PM (GMT)
I don't think Vince wants anything to do with the guy (and vice versa). Warrior has torched every bridge in wrestling, pissed on the ashes, and spray painted it in 140 foot letters just to drive the point home.
dynamite kido - February 17, 2005 09:47 PM (GMT)
Not to mention that Warrior has virtually no drawing power either.....so if they don't equal money......then Vince want em......
jamiegeist - February 17, 2005 11:37 PM (GMT)
Wow. Talk about taking an offhand comment literally. Let me try again.
Its a shame there was no blow off at all. Don't Tell Vince, He might call Warrior. j/k OMG LOL LMAO TTYL dOOd!!
There.
Scrooge McSuck - February 17, 2005 11:43 PM (GMT)
You'll notice the sarcasm detection level is mighty low...
(hugs biggest sucker award of 2004)
Colcollazo - February 23, 2005 06:41 PM (GMT)
I wish I had this PPV, as I already have the rest of the 1991 PPV's and they're all awesome. I remember this PPV being bundles of fun from top to bottom. With nothing being excrutiatingly bad. I'm fan of he old school WWF, so I'm bias, but this card isn't bad, Bret/Skinner, Jake/Savage (don't care about the time that much), Hogan/Taker (I'm a mark for their matches in 1991, they utilized their gimmicks fantastically although the work isn't solid) were all fun. I'd like to take this time to reccomend the 1987-1994 pay per views as well. Entertaining stuff, 89, 91 and 92 were especially on fire.
prof_plague - February 24, 2005 04:37 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Charlotte Bobcat @ Feb 17 2005, 01:58 PM) |
| I don't think Vince wants anything to do with the guy (and vice versa). Warrior has torched every bridge in wrestling, pissed on the ashes, and spray painted it in 140 foot letters just to drive the point home. |
ummm...what does CB mean by that? I didn't get the idea. ;)