No..not Women Of Wrestling, you pervs (although some discussion about Roxy Powers and the Beach Patrol never hurts)... I'm thinking of doing a future article on "Top 25 Most Amazing Comic Moments in My Lifetime" or something equally stupid. I'm looking for things in either mainstream Marvel or DC stories that made you say "WOW!" Things that shook stuff up for a bit and really had an impact on some level. Heel turns. Big Fights. Significant deaths. Defining moments. Since this is "in my lifetime" (1974 on) Peter Parker getting bit by a spider or the Flash meeting Jay Garrick do not count. (fuck, I'm not THAT old!)

I'm looking for singular EVENTS in the comics themselves..so stuff like "Todd McFarlane debuts on Amazing Spider-Man" would get you a free ticket from the Cock-Punch Cops. Crisis on Infinite Earths would not be a good entry..but Barry Allen dying would be. Comic marketing doesn't count either. Thus, 1-900-Kill-Robin doesn't work, but Jason Todd getting killed does.

Since this will be a numerical list based on importance, not everything needs to be earthshaking.

Stuff I'm thinking of:
-Firestorm gets nuked in 1986
-Thunderbolts unmask as the Masters of Evil in 1996
-The Spider-clone returns in 1994 (nobody liked it, but it had an impact)
-Black Knight "kills" the Supreme Intelligence in 1991
-Jean Grey is found in a cocoon in Jamaica Bay in 1986
-The "All-New, All-Different X-men" debut on Krakoa in 1975.
-Steve Rogers steps down as Cap in 1986.

No entry is too stupid, so anything on your mind is encouraged and will definitely be considered.

I'd say the Age of Apocalypse. As a flat out comic mark, it was pretty sweet to see how characters would have turned out in an alternate universe after all the "alternate future" stuff with Bishop

Colossus coming back in Astonishing
Wonder Woman murdering Max Lord
Superboy Prime lobbing someone's head off, and promptly re-writing all of DCU History in the famed RETCON PUNCH~! (okay, this is less wow and more WTF?)

Todd McFarlane debuts on Amazing Spider-Man

Me thinks Scrooge just wants someone to touch his cock.

How dare you accuse me of such a disgusting thing!... (pulls pants back up)

Bane breaking Batman's back.

I know it was part marketing ploy, part plot, but it adds a dimension of mortality to Batman that had kind of faded out of his character. Of course it's almost completely forgotten now, but it was insane then

Good Wow Moments:

Bane breaks Batman's back.
Thunderbolts unmasking as the Masters of Evil.
Gwen Stacy dies, followed by the Green Goblins death.
Colossus killing himself to cure the legacy virus.
Robin telling the Teen Titans his dad died during Identity Crisis.
Vison crying when he's offered a spot on the Avengers.
Scarlett Witch summoning Wonderman to battle Morgan Le Fey.
Juggernaut reforming.

Bad Wow Moments:

Ben Reilly dying at the end of the Clone Saga. I could've lived with that entire storyline had they kept Reilly as Spider-Man. Hey, I even started to like the guy towards the end. His death marked my first departure from Spider-Man comics until Paul Jenkins came on board to Peter Parker: Spider-Man.

My second departure from regular Spider-Man reading was JMS and the Stacy/Osbourne one night stand crap. I've come back to the wagon with Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man though.

Nightwing's rape.
Nightwing and Starfire's recent one night stand in the Outsiders.
Jason Todd's return.
The whole Magneto is a druggy loser at the end of Morrison's run on New X-Men.

This is what I was looking for. Keep 'em coming. I swore to never write a ridiculous "best of" or "top 25 most-earthshaking moments that have shook the earth", but sorting through my boxes last week got me in the mood. Plus, I wanted to compare some of the stuff I've seen with some the recent change....errrr...TURD-PILE that DC's put out. It'll also put into perspective some of the "big changes" that have been promoted over the last 15 years. Remember, "Obsidian Age" and WarGames" were supposed to RE-DEFINE characters and their place in the DCU...

Gwen Stacy's death was in 1973, so that doesn't make the cut (barely..by about eight months).

I have a firm idea what #'s 1 and 2 will be.

As much as I would like to do a Crappiest Stuff, I don't think it would work. Someone might say that the Crappiest Moment was Secret Wars 2. Bt if you broke it down and REALLY defined "crap", the crappiest moment would probably be Sleepwalker fighting Lullaby. Low sales, bad art, bad writing and nobody knew about it. I'm nothing if not scientific in my analysis of CRAP

I don't know. Teen Iron Man in the mid 90s is probably the worst thing I've ever seen as far as bad goes.

I still stand by my statement that the Clone Saga wasn't that bad. It was just that it went on for years and ended with the status quo not changing. I actually think it would be remembered better had Ben Reilly stayed as Spider-Man.

I liked what I read of "Clone Wars," and will agree that the greatest problem was that nothing changed. I liked Scarlet Spider, and wished that they'd have kept him around.

Well, except knowing Marvel he would have become some C lister who only showed up in some random Avengers issue

He was starting to work as Spider-Man when they finally offed him. He was developing a personality and the various books were starting to find their pace again. Then he died and we had Peter back and it was a Dallas-esque dream sequence.

It would've been great to split the Spider books between them, even. Smart idea. Or change "Peter Parker: Spider-man" to "Ben Reilly: Spider-man"

There's a fairly well-detailed feature called "The Life of Reilly", online. It covers the entire clone story as well as all the backstage politics and goofy plot swerves that were made. Plus stuff like the third and fourth clones and how Scrier was originally a throwaway character, but became a big part of the story.

Check it out and make yourself comfortable (it's in 35 parts!!)
http://www.newcomicreviews.com/GHM/special...OfReilly/1.html

I had thought that the conclusion would've had Ben sticking around as Scarlet Spider, the same way Johnny Walker stuck around as US Agent.

Oh yeah..some other goofy points I'm considering:

-Peter marries MJ
-Hawkeye marries Mockingbird
-Force Commander is Baron Karza

I wanted to add Amazing Spider-Man #400 when Aunt May reveals she's known he's Spider-Man and then dying shortly after. It's still one of my favorite Spider-Man issues.

Is that recent???

No, it was almost 11 years ago.

And she died?

They brought her back but I wasn't reading when they did that so I can't really tell you how they brought her back. But yes, at the time she was dead, so dead. They really should've kept her dead it was so well written kind of a thing.

They actually teased/faked her death in Amazing Spider-Man #196-200.

They retconned her death in #400 a few years later, saying the one who croaked was an actress who had taken over for the REAL Aunt May..in a plan orchestrated by Harry Osborn.

Pretty stupid, but about as equal as the whole "Peter's reurned parents were really clones created by the Chameleon" thing.

Thought of any new ones? I'm starting to write out each synopsis, and thought of some more:

-Jason Todd gets blowed up good
-Yellowjacket gets expelled from the Avengers
-Molecule Man dumps a mountain on the Marvel Heroes
-Phoenix (Jean Grey) dies
-Supergirl dies (COIE)
-Flash dies (COIE)
-Hal Jordan flips out, does a heel turn
-Scourge cleans house at the No-Name Bar

Flash dying was definately a great moment. That's why those bring back Barry Allen fanboys need to be punched in the face.

I'll second the Hal Jordan heel turn.

I would say the 4 Supermans after Superman's death. But they totally killed any chance of it actually being a surprise with all their publicity.

How about a negative WOW for the Red/Blue Superman? That really sucked ass.

Flash's death wil be up there. The cool thing about it was that his death was unique to his power. Supergirl got zapped. Superman got punched alot. Jason Todd blew up. Even Phoenix was killed by a simple laser cannon. Nothing fancy or unique about those.

Flash had to run like crazy and nobody else could have done it (well technically Superman could've, but you get my point). You want Babe Ruth to go out while hitting a home run... not getting a walk.

Plus, it had been foreshadowed for over a year. Not just in the previous 7 issues of COI, but in the last year of Flash's book there were little signs that he wouldn't make it. When he went to the future to live with Iris, I think Abra Kadabra mentioned something to him about staying in the future to ensure survival. As readers, we all thought "yeah, yeah...just a red herring. They wont KILL Flash. They're just scaring us". But they killed him.