The only thing I can't figure out is if we rotate champions visits, or if we just vote and if you don't have a quality candidate you're screwed.

Good stuff. Let's get to voting!

Sloooooooow down there on the voting.

I think that it would be beneficial to everyone's game, that if one of your workers became NWA World Champion, you didn't just lose him completely. I know you mentioned him making occasional appearances, but I would like to think it would be a more structured working environment between the two Owners. You would work out, amongst yourselves, which shows he could or could not appear on, doing your best to have a 50/50 split. Your territory should not be punished for having a successful worker who gets promoted to the World Title. He should continue working your territory as well, and stayed very involved in storylines.

See, I have no problem with him making appearances, but not being involved in storylines. At least not in a major way. I wouldn't mind if he shows up as someones "Surprise Tag Team Partner," or something like that. But not a major player in a storyline. If it weren't for the morale thing, I would say the champ doesn't show up on the original territory's show at all. That's why he's called a "Travelling" champion.

What I'm wanting to work out is how we choose where the champ goes. I don't want us to end up with a Crockett Promotions of the DWB NWA that ALWAYS gets the champ. I want everyone to get a fair crack at the champ

Honestly, I think by having the NWA champion that you should be responsible for his booking. Like if I sent Wrestler X to NWA mexico, I should be booking who he fights and the outcome of the match. That is until it's decided by committee that he should lose the NWA World Heavyweight title. See where I'm coming from?

So you think that the booker the champ is under written contract to should have control of the booking?

I agree as well, and maintain that he should get approximately a 50/50 split in his home territory. Think about the old days of the NWA. Everything was taped, so the NWA Champion could concievably work 3-4 different tapings a week, and appear in 3-4 different promotions. Now, we're doing it "live", so that won't work out, but I still don't think your traveling champion just up and leaves your promotion.

Kind of look at it this way: It should be an honor/accolade to become the NWA World Champion, not a big pain in the ass that fucks up your booking plans.

And as for DK's post, I think the territory owner that the champ comes from should have a level of creative control. Like I said, this would be taken care of by some side-by-side booking with the opposite owner, working out proper dates, and the storyline he is involved in could be discussed.

As for where the champ goes, I would say we need a system of some kind. I mean, hell, we can do it randomly. It is hard to go by show ratings or anything and "award" someone the champ, because the numbers seem rather arbitrary. I'd say start out random till we get another idea.

To clarify myself, I think that the booker of the territory where the NWA Champion is, should have a degree of the booking himself. Like if I sent a wrestler to another territory, he couldn't just book the champion against anyone. Therefore the champions booker could say something like, I don't mind who he fights as long as it's a main eventer. OR, he could say that the champion cannot lose in a schmoz, so he must get the pinfall or submission. Blah, blah.

Also, for having the champion you should get some sort of a reward for it like jamie said. I don't know what the best reward could be, but you should get SOMETHING for having the NWA Champion.

I'm not sure what we could get, reward wise, also.....but more so what I was saying is that you definitely shouldn't LOSE something, that being your 'best worker' that just won the title. I mean, there is a reason he was voted to win it, so he must be an integral part of your storylines.

And yes, I agree DK, you should creative control of sorts over your worker if he is traveling as the champ.

We could even do something as far as letting the company that is allowing their champion to travel the ability to add THAT match that he's having to their shows or something. Basically it can spike your ratings and such? Any other ideas?

Eh, I'm not terribly fond of that. My TV space is pretty tight as it is, and having to include some other guys' match might hurt.

Again, I don't think I'm worried about a reward or anything. I mean, just having the NWA World Champion is reward enough. I'm more concerned still with NOT losing your champion.

Not to put the cart before the horse, or something like that, but we need to talk about how to crown our first champion as well. I had started that PPV idea thread that died a miserable quick death.

I started this because of that thread, so that we understand the rules of a World Champ before we declare one

Yeah, good call. Like I said, putting the cart before the horse probably.

So what are your thoughts Swigg?

I haven't read everyone's shows, but how far would most be away from crowning their own champions and whatnot?

Because honestly I think that we should at least wait until people get their feds together first. But there isn't anything wrong with planning ahead.

Yeah, I agree that we aren't there yet. I had proposed a NWA PPV date of July 2 or 9, The Great American Bash, where the first NWA Champ would be crowned, along with some other interpromotional stuff.

That's more than a month away, gametime, as we're at May 20th. I assumed that would be enough time so that everyone had establishment and had held their first supershow, at least.

Edit: Misunderstood your first line a bit. My champ will be crowned tomorrow, May 23rd. PTL has a champ. Midwest has its quarterfinals this past week on Saturday Night, which isn't up yet. Not sure about Mid-Atlantic, and Mexico just began theres. New England is in the 2nd round of their tourney too.

Well, the first time we tried this, there weren't any rules. I wrote these because I figured that the original territory keeping him under written contract and the territory he travels to keeping him under open contract would be a good foundation for us to base the rules off of.

That being said, I myself am ok with just losing the champ. It allows me the time to build up some other worker, thus strengthening my roster when the champ returns. But I completely understand not wanting to lose a top worker. I'm not quite sure how the actual NWA did things, but I think a talent swap is a decent idea. I give you worker A, while you pick Worker C to give me. Those details would obviously be ironed out privately between the two bookers, but it's a possibility.

I'm just really not a fan of losing the champ entirely. I really would like to see a time-sharing kind of thing between the promotions. It wouldn't be a problem really since our Big Show's are usually not synched up. Just have to work on sharing for weekly TV.

To me, you will have to work hard getting your worker "over" enough with the committee for them to want to crown him NWA World Champ. Once you've done all that work.....you lose him? I just don't like that idea. The talent swap is a nice idea, but I'd be more for just sharing the champ with the territory that he is decided to go to.

Maybe we could workout something to the effect that for every use of a NWA Champion that you have to agree to send talent to the company of the champion for a extended period of time. Kind of like, you can use the NWA champion for a show if I can get Wrestler X for a month. Anyone think that is okay?

I think it'd be nice and all to pick someone up, but I wouldn't really be interested in it.

I'm all for just losing the champ............but only with a sharing thing. He wouldn't be all yours for a solid month, or whatever the time is that we go with. It would be a share. To me, this is the best for ALL territories. Keeps your storylines intact, and also lends for some nice interweaving between those territories.

The only thing with the Big Shows, is that it kind of brings down the luster of having the champ in your territory if he's on someone else's PPV.

The way I see it, it's an honor to have a World Champ visit my territory just as much as it is to have one from my territory. But that's me. I can understand that everyone doesn't feel the same way.

I do understand what you mean there, but he would only be on two territories big shows. And the NWA World Title couldn't just be defended whenever the original territory owner wanted. It would still fall under the rules.

The Title could only be defended in the visiting territory (with permission).

To me, this is necessary, because, and this is hypothetical, if my CSW Champion won the NWA World Title, what am I supposed to do? Just strip him? That sucks. And I don't like having to involved someone not in your territories' title picture.


By the way, this discussion is really good and really necessary.

If you want someone to be your champion, don't nominate them to be NWA World Champion.

i.e.-If Benoit is to be my first champion, I'd nominate Batista. They're both valid nominations, but I only nominate the one who is not going to be my champ

Yeah, thats what I'm saying. I don't like that, at all. And I don't know about "nominating". But again, that falls more under the "how are we gonna crown our champion" thing, which I guess we aren't up to yet.

I think it is a bad, and rather lame, idea that your territory champ wouldn't be able to go for the NWA World Title. He is your represenative of your company, your face, etc. Thats one thing I definitely didn't like on your guys first go round. Just nominating.

As I mentioned in the NWA PPV folder, I'd like to do something with all of the territorial champs coming together to crown the NWA World Champ. I think that'd be the coolest, most realistic, and badass way to do it.

Well, my representative was Jericho, who won a tournament. He cheated to win, but he won. So it makes sense why Benoit wasn't the guy to go.

It's just something that we're going to discuss for ages.

Which is why I'd like someone other than you, me and DK to say something

Yeah, I very much agree on that. It'd be nice to get some other input. smKelly is gonna be absent for a while. He was moving and stuff. So he won't be chiming in for a bit I guess.

I understand why you guys said your champ couldnt be NWA Champ before, cause you were really just shipping him off to another territory for a while. As I've mentioned, if we do a sharing thing instead, you could have your champ be NWA Champ as well.

So, long story short: Don't have your territory champions go for NWA titles.

Yeah, that was the set up ya'll had before.

Why?

We didn't want to lose our champs.

But I also think it's a thing that we didn't want our World Champs to be too connected to his original territory when he traveled. Which is why I wrote what I wrote the way I wrote it.

Right, I know you all didn't wanna lose your champs. Nor should you lose your worker period. Sorry, I feel like a broken record.

This is why I think we should consider a talent "sharing" with the NWA World Champion. Rather than just a guy who wins the title, and changes territories.

I don't have a problem if one of my top stars won the NWA World title and spent some time touring, it would just make things fun for me when he comes back and would add some luster to my larger events.

Besides, I feel that having the champion go off on tour would give me some good opportunities to make some other stars, especially considering my version of Saturday Night is only one hour, so I only do about 4-5 matches a show.

You don't have a problem losing one? Well I do. I would love to have the NWA World Title on one of my top guys. But not at the expense of losing him.

I'm glad we're getting some good discussion here about plans, that way we can figure it out, and move on to setting up the first NWA PPV.

Well, I don't mind losing a star due to him winning the championship because

1) He's not going to reign forever, he'll come back eventually.

2) After my last WWE diary, I am well accostomed to things not always working out the way I had hoped they would, so I have no problem changing or tweaking my sometimes longterm plans.

3) I get to have a measure of creative control over other feds when my champ is there.

Besides, my roster was way too big for the format I'm using in the first place. If a Rock, Jericho, etc needs to take off, I still have Christian, JBL, Taker, Kane, Big Show, and others waiting in the wings.

Well, you've said you wouldn't mind losing him, which I understand.

However, how would you feel about NOT losing him? How would you feel about the NWA World Champ remaining loyal to your territory and your plans, but also being appointed (somehow) to where he'll be going, storyline wise.

I mean, if you had nothing to do with him, or could part with him for a full month or two, then yeah, go ahead and let him go. I'm thinking about a situation where you wouldn't or couldn't necessarily couldn't part with him, and still wanted to use his part time.

I guess if I could keep the World Champion around my fed, it would be fun and all, but it would take the suspense away from some shows since I couldn't technically ever have him drop the title, so title defenses wouldn't be much fun. That, and I'm afraid he would overshadow my territory champion. For example, I had envisioned that my territory champ would be the guy I'd put up against the touring champ, if he came to New England.

Well if that situation happens, that would be cool yes. But what if your territorial champ was the NWA champ. Then you could defend your territorial title, all while creating a bit of drama. "Oh, if Edge can defeat The Rock for the NEW Title, what would happen if he could face him for the NWA". Of course, The Rock won't put that title up (and can't, without permission) so it lends itself to some fun angle-related stuff as well.

And thats only if it is in your territory that you get the World Champ. Remember, there are 7 of us, so there are 5 of us who won't have the world champ, and won't get the visit from the world champ, making us unaffected, which is also fine.

You have the "World Heavyweight Champ", the "World X Division Champ," and the "World Tag Team Champs." That's 3. That's not including if we came up with Hardcore champs or something else.

Not that we should.

And for the other territories, it would be business as usual.

Another thing... If the NWA Champ was touring my territory, I wouldn't want him defending the title in another territory, because it would take the shine off of his defense in mine

Ideally, the champion should come to town and be around for 3-4 weeks. There needs to be some interaction with the challenger and build up.

I think the original way he had it works. The touring champion is truest to the territory system. I don't mind losing guys for awhile because they'll be back sooner or later. I think they should be allowed to cut taped promos for their territory to keep their morale up but that's about it.

You shouldn't be so dependent on 1 guy that losing him for a couple of months will ruin your fed.

just saying. Basically that I thought we've been over this before, that's all.

I also like the touring champion because it forces us to work together and will ultimately encourage talent exchanges and talent trades.

Yeah, it's the thing that binds us together, really.