I gotta give Sabe credit. The man has some serious balls to work a match with a broken arm (on top of countless other stuff he's done in the past, like working with a broken jaw).

Kevin Nash gets to bury some X-Guys en route to jobbing to Styles? Yeah... and I'm not lazy. This'll be Heart Attack #3 for Nash.

Glad to see people pissed off at TNA bringing losers like Luger and Bagwell (no matter what they did on TV) and worthless crap like Christy Hemme.

Homicide can go to hell, I could've sworn Juvy had a contract with WWE and wouldn't want him killing people in TNA again, and Low Ki---I mean Senshi needs to be on TV sooner than what TNA probably has instore for him.

Nash may be a cock, but he usually has some decent ideas. It is a matter of executing them.

If they can pull that off correctly, it would be sweet. I've been waiting and waiting for a "main eventer" to talk some shit on the X Division and attempt to go in there and do something about it, only to get punked. It ups EVERYONE in the X division if done properly.

If I have said it once, I'll say it again. Fuck Nash, keep him away from the X-division. That's the dumbest fucking way I've ever heard to bury a division only to put AJ over (who is ALREADY over and a win over Nash would do NOTHING for him).....

As much as I hate the X-Division - that sort of angle would only work if it was Killings, or Homicide, or, you know, someone talented. No Nash. Never Nash.



Although I do have a perverse desire to see said interview

Dave, a question, why DO you hate the X-Division, and Cruisers in general so much? It's the one thing I've never quite grasped about your critisim, which I usually don't have much of a problem with.

If they go through with that angle, there is no hope for TNA

Ok. Brace yourself, I might be here a while.


First off, there's a differece between cruiserweights, and cruiserweight wrestling. There's a difference again, between cruiserweight wrestling, and the X-Division.


The most important thing I think anyone needs to realise about me and my occasionaly bizarre wrestling tastes is that I'm a child of the WWE. Since 1991, up until about 1999 - I was simply not exposed to anything else. We didn't have anything else. We had Sky, and Sky has a lifetime deal with the WWE. We started watching Superstars, and when that became Action Zone, Mania, whatever, thats what we watched. We got the big PPV's taped for us by a family friend. When I got cable in my bedroom - and cable is something different over here - it meant I went from three channels to 10 - I'd stay up LISTENING to a scrambled feed of Raw. I marked out for Foley winning the title - for Jericho debuting - marked out like NUTS - and didn't see an edited version until the next day. That was my life. My only exposure to WCW was the magazine - and I instinctively drifted towards the ex-WWE guys.

You may be wondering is there a point to this. There is. Simply put - I don't know any better. Especially a few years ago. As someone who first got exposed to Nitro in....98, I think, I'd see some probably incredible cruiserweight match and my honest to God reaction was......"so what?" At the time - And I still feel this way - I preferred the bigger guys that the WWE gave me. Rey Mysterio vs. Psicosis? Or something like Undertaker vs. Foley. And not the cell stuff. Why waste time watching two guys pinball around the ring, when I could watch two bigger guys smash the crap out of each other. Even the WCW tapes I do own - Spring Stampede 99 - Juvi vs. Blitzkrieg did NOTHING for me - but I've watched Raven/Sturn vs. Horsemen a thousand times. For me it's a culture thing almost. The thing is - the WWE feels exactly the same way. They've never seen cruiserweights as draws and it'll take amassive shift in thinking from management to change that. You're looking at ten years - maybe. There's very few indy workers over 230lbs. Its why I admire the Tough Enough Concept - It was set up to find Heavyweights.


Please don't mistake that for me hating the cruiserweights. I don't hate them as people - and in fact - there's guys on Smackdown I really like - I loved Helms' arrogant push before he got injured - Jamie Knoble blew me away on Velocity a few times. I admire them for flying in the face of criticism such as "You could be doing better on the indies" How dare they want a steady job. I DON'T like London - I think he's overrated and a completely bland worker who relies on highsopts - as opposed to Helms or Knoble.

What I actively HATE is a guy like Kidman pulling that stupid shit they pulled at WMXX - where he nearly killed himself doing an SSP Plancha. I sat there and wondered what the point was.

I don't hate cruiserweight wrestling - and I feel it does have a place on the card. For me - it's on the bottom.


The X-Division is something else entirely.

For a start - it's a glorified cruiserweight division thats promoted above the heavies. I find that staggering. I look at TNA promoting the World X-Cup. You're gonna bring in x amount of workers who the Orlando set don't know, or care about (Who in the Asylum REALLY knew who Hirooki Goto or Minuro Tanaka was before last Sunday??). You're doing this to put over the same bland babyfaces you've tried, and failed to push repeatedly (Sabin, Dutt).

Exactly what are TNA paying Lance Hoyt, Bobby Roode et al FOR? I just DON'T SEE it. TNA could be building up to the day when Sting takes his paycheck and walks - by having challengers for Jarrett/Cage/Abyss/Monty whoever READY - and they ignore it in favour of a guy like Hirooki Goto - who's gonna be on the next flight to Narita? It STAGGERS me.

Second of all - the choice of pushes is EXTREMELY suspect. Styles I HATE - he's greedy, a whiner, homophobic and has publicly insulted people in the WWE. He thne turns around and CONSTANTLY bitches about TV time - and the exWWE set taking "his spot". I turn on Impact and the twit is never off it.

Matt Bentley seems to getan inordinate amount of TV time comparable to his relative push and marked lack of talent - just because of who he's related to.

Chris Daniels appears to be going through the motions

And then there's Joe.

Joe is an interesting case. For a start, he seems to exist only to disprove the notion that the X-Division is a cruiserweight Division. We'll leave that one alone for a bit. Second of all - he's the X-Champ. Despite beating Sabu at the last PPV and is jobbing to SCOTT STEINER! at the next.

Oh wait - you're going to job the dominant X Champ to a broken down ex-WWE'r? Graet way to treat the rest of the division.

Joe's too dominant. They can't get the belt off him. Putting it on Styles or Daniels is overkill, and yet he's clearly way ahead of everyone else. Yet he's in the semi main of the PPV.That just as idiotic as having Great Khali bounce the WWE cruisers around

And thats the other thing. The most recent Impact - Joe MURDERED Jay Lethal. Now - if this was the WWE, and say....Umaga similarily squashed Lethal - there'd be an outcry.

Ideally - Joe will drop the belt the last show before Scrifice, preferably to Alex Shelley when Steiner and Jarrett do a 187 on him. Thats no more idiotic than anything else - but its gets the belt off him.



And thats why I seem to come off as hating the cruisers. Hope it helps

Perfectly good answer. I don't agree with some of it, particularly the part about Joe, but I respect that you at least have a reason for the remarks you make.

And I'm horribly sorry to hear all you had was the WWE Growing up. (That's a joke, guys). I was lucky, I was always a WCW kid, because my dad would go see Flair and Dusty Rhodes all the time, so I lucked out. I was able to have it both ways.


And about the Nash thing, I agree that it would do no one any good. I hope they don't go through with it.

I can kind of agree with DAVE on that. I've never been as fond of the cruiserweights as others. But it's because I grew up on Arn Anderson, Jake Roberts, and guys like that. I like ground based hard nosed wrestling over flips and saults anyday

Wow. That's the best thought out post on this board ever. Seriously.

The Nash angle sounds trainwreck amusing to me for some reason. The only people I see it hurting are guys like Sabin, Dutt, and Lethal who aren't all that over to start with. PLus, they're young enough to recover. I'm curious to see where it goes.

Yeah, seriously. I think DAVE gets post of the century award. That was a great read, and as mentioned by others above, I don't really agree on it (again, mainly the Joe part) but it such a well thought out and delivered response that I can't help but respect and understand it.

I wouldn't mind the Nash/X Division angle IF done properly, because I don't like the X Division being viewed as a cruiserweight division. I don't like the term "X Division" at all actually. If that is the X Division (Joe, Styles, Daniels, Shelley, Petey, etc.) what the hell is the thing on top (Jarrett, Steiner, Sting, Abyss, Christian, etc.) and why should I care more?

I don't like the idea of "divisions" unless you are going somewhere with it. I also always hated cruiserweight divisions, and cruiserweight belts. This isn't boxing. There isn't a belt for the big fat guys, and there shouldn't be one for the little skinny guys. This is another debate entirely which we grazed when we talked about Rey Mysterio, World HEAVYWEIGHT Champ, awhile back.

Regardless, great post DAVE.

(Takes tips from DAVE for the next time I randomly bash X-Division matches)

Rebuttal time MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry but I don't see how guys like Mysterio/Psicosis "pinball" around the ring. There's plenty of guys on the indy's that do that................but that was always something that the WCW cruisers and Japan Juniors were got at NOT doing. I understand it's a taste thing though.....

Nobody criticizes (at least nobody with any intelligence) those guys for wanting steady work. They criticize the fact that they'll go to the WWE and their careers will fall into oblivion. I also understand the fact that you don't like London.........but to say that he's a bland worker that relies on highspots is just incorrect. I'm assuming you haven't seen much if ANY of his work outside of the WWE.

Don't confuse Kidman with other Juniors/Cruisers...................he fucking sucks. Especially with the shitty ways that the WWE does things.

Why does it belong on the bottom? Because YOU don't like it?

Why is it staggering that the TNA promotes a divison that clearly sets them apart from what the WWE does? Doing the x-cup makes your promotion look a lot more major league, you're bringing in guys that primarily wrestle in other countries that the TNA fans otherwise would have a hard time seeing. I look at that as they are trying to bring in new superstars for their fans to watch that they may not see anywhere else.

Those guys are young. If they WERE pushing them, people would be saying that they are getting the push too soon.

First off, Styles is a TNA guy. Say what you want but when the whole Feinstein fiasco happened look who the only two guys were that couldn't work ROH. Styles and Daniels. That's because TNA wants to establish "their" guys. Good for them. How is he greedy? How is he a whiner? I don't recall him EVER publically insulting the WWE. He's made comments about Batista after Batista mentioned HIM by name in an interview. He's made other comments about the wrestling in the WWE and it's flaws and that's not outside of anything you'd hear ME say about them as well. He never bitched about TV time that I've heard of and I haven't heard of ANYONE taking his spot as he's one of the more "pushed" guys in TNA.

Uhhh...............Bentley's not on that much at all. I don't see where this random gripe comes from.

Apparently you've missed the majority of his PPV work and his match against Joe on the first Thursday night Impact.

And then there's Joe.

Uhhh..........Joe isn't there to disprove anything about the X-division. It just so happens that the matchups that would have gotten him over and the matches that would have been the best are with guys that wrestle in the x-divison. And that was mainly his work against Styles/Daniels who BOTH have worked outside of the division.

Uh......what?

Joe's NOT too dominant. He's getting pushed. Plain and simple. I admit that he shouldn't be the x-division champion right now, but he deserves to be in the spot that he's in so what can you do. They can take the title off of Joe, just have someone do it without pinning him.

Joe didn't murder anyone. Quit being a mark for Joe's offense. It's been stated by enough wrestlers that Joe isn't as stiff as you think. Also, him and Lethal are friends, so he isn't going to main the guy. Umaga has carelessly hurt people in his younger days as Jamal in the WWE so it's a bad comparison because he has a reputation for injuring people. Although he's been fine from what I've heard since his return as Umaga from All Japan Pro Wrestling.

There's no sign that'll happen and you are just making shit up to criticize it. BLAH.

I think the "Joe MURDERED Lethal" argument was more that it was such a dominant squash, not how stiff Joe works

Even if that is the case, it still makes perfect sense. Joe's a main eventer and Lethal has JUST gotten to the midcard.

Hey, I've had a busy weekend, but tomorrow, I'll respond to everyone's comments. especially Dk