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Show sounds hot, and the UK fans sound really fun. Looking foward the 6 man and Angle v Rey.

Looks like another good Smackdown.

Stupid British... next time I say go drink tea on your own when an evil guy with a stupid mustache tries taking over their country.

Smackdown looks really good. I'll try harder to remember to set a tape for it.

Sounds fun. Weird that someone posted Smackdown spoilers before RAW, which were taped a day before Smackdown (I think).

I read them. All I can say is Scrooge will love the main event.

... For the love of God, don't tell me they jobbed Kane to John Cena.

(looks at results)

Kane didn't get a match on Raw?! What the flying jumping holy fuck?! And why is he still squashing heels when he's obviously playing the heel of this Big Show angle.

(reads main event)

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Um, why are they still pushing Mark Henry?

Because they still want to squeeze everything possible out of him that cost them 10 million dollars over the last decade.

I have no problem with Henry still being pushed. He's a solid big man main-eventer and he's only got till July anyway.

Unless WWE offers him a new contract.

Henry basically sucks. Someday maybe I'll understand why the WWE enjoys pushes shitty hosses so much, but not now.

They pushed Henry for the reason I just mentioned. In 1996, they signed him to a 10 year, 10 million dollar contract just so WCW Wouldn't sign him. Instead of paying him that to sit at home, they just give him random pushes to try and get something out of him.

Sorry, miswrote that. My point is that they signed him in the first place, especially to such an incredibly long contract.

That's Vince being really desperate. See also: Tiger Ali Singh, except minus the ludicrously high contract.

He's probably going to kill Paul London.

He doesn't suck at all. The way they've used him sucks, but he's the kind of big man that they actually NEED right now.

Mark Henry is the kind of big man they need right now? Can you explain that to me?

Henry's good at being vulnerable and unvulnerable at the same time. Compare his SD match with Mysterio and his match at Mania with Taker. That's the kind of guy the need right now because he can put over guys and not lose anything because of it. Then when he SHOULD win, he can.......especially because of his size. He's althletic and able to move around better than the majority of the hosses they have now (yes, better than Kane, Snitsky, and Singh for sure).

Alright, I agree and disagree. Fact of the matter is, I don't care for Henry the character or Henry the wrestler, so this is just my opinion. I agree that he can put people over and win and it's equally convincing either way, but if you're telling me that Mark Henry is more mobile than Kane, you're crazy. If they use him properly and give him some more work, maybe I'll buy into him. If I had to book a big man, I'd put Kane and Big Show on well before I looked at Henry.

Kane's mobility has become more limited recently, but I'll still take him over Henry. Show too.

I would agree with that hoss list, except for Kane for the most part.

(wakes up) Hey! Kane > Show > Henry > Everyone else that's a hoss. Except maybe Undertaker, but he wrestles what, once a month?

I wouldn't put Kane OR Show over Henry. Henry is more athletic and can work a LOT more guys than Kane or Show can for the simple fact that he's more agile and more believable in that role.

That's just me though.

I would put Show way above the rest. Kane is better than Henry though, in my opinion.

All have their strong points, but Henry generally doesn't have the booknig behind him, which is the deciding factor when it's a close race like this when they all have near identical (and limited) movesets and aren't great sellers. I disqualified psychology, since Kane's gimmick is no selling and being a monster that used to be a living zombie (OXYMORON!). Not much to work with that.

While Show and Kane have both been midcard talent enhancement at times, they've been pushed hard periodically and have a long list of credentials to the common mark.

What does Mark Henry have for 10 years of working with WWE? A tainted European Title reign and father of a hand.


Edit: Note to 'self: trying to remain unbias in this argument isn't working. Now why can't we argue the talented differences between Mark Henry, Snitsky, Great Khalil Greene, Viscera, and Lashley? At least then I could honestly defend Mark with a straight e-face.

Was Kane a Zombie? I realize Undertaker is, but I never realized Kane was.

He was basically Undertaker Version 2.0 when the character first started. Freakish guy, thought to be "dead" or super-human, who can sustain large amounts of pain from about 10 people at once, sold nothing, and had magic powers like special lightning effects and setting things on fire. Since then... the fuck if I know. The character has been dicked around with so much it would give me a headache to try and make sense of it all.

I didn't think he was ever supposed to be dead though. Burned and horribly mutated, but not dead.

Another way I can compare the original portrayal of Kane to the Jason Voorhees character. Exactly what was he? Did he really die as a child, but come back and age as a zombie (which explains his unusual "powers"), or was he just some demented retard with a psycho parent that lived in seclusion all of his life?


Of course, now we know he's just some guy with a weird haircut that hears voices.

My question is WHY would you put Kane or Big Show above Henry? They clearly couldn't work as many DIFFERENT guys as Henry could to say the least.

Mark Henry has only hit his "stride" in the past couple of months, notably with the 2 best workers on the roster, and even the stuff with Angle wasn't that good. That doesn't erase 10 years of nothing. Outside of the "David vs. Goliath" thing he has with Rey, I don't buy him as anything more than midcard.

Honestly, what has he done to deserve and is he ever been over enough to be a main eventer? Before you answer, don't bring up guys like Chris Masters who couldn't get over if he killed someone. They have nothing to do with this. It's just Mark Henry, nothing more.


Edit: I'm pretty much ignoring the 3-way comparison now, since we've been over both Show and Kane countless times. Show in his prime was probably the better of the 3 when motivated, but damn was he lazy for a lot of that time. Henry was pretty funny as Sexual Chocolate, but his wrestling still sucked, and Kane was more balanced. Not a great worker, but very carriable (is that a word?) and in his prime more agile, and not a great talker, but got his angles across through other means when not allowed to talk.

I would agree with what you said about Show Scrooge as when he was motivated and in better shape you are corrent. Kane though isn't quite the same story. He's generally been booked into stuff with better opponents than Henry has EVER had considering that he was brought in to feud with Taker initially. Henry was never more than a midcarder but whenever pushed to the main and working against good guys he's been more than acceptable. Hell, if you want to get technical Kane (then known as Issac Yankem) had a terrible match with Bret Hart (the guy that could carry anyone) at Summerslam 95. Not to break a whole career down in one match, but if you can't do it against Bret then that speaks volumes.

I pretty much think Kane is the best big man today, if we're talking big giant dudes. To me he is just the most capable in the ring, is great with this (horrible) character, and usually impresses me when the WWE writers give the public a reason to care.

Henry, I enjoyed for like, 1 week, and then he went back to sucking ass.

Big Show I'm just done with completely.

Bring back Sid!

I'm just not impressed with Henry. I'd like to see the athleticism you speak of, but besides him picking guys up and tossing them around and occasionally breaking into a sprint for five seconds, I just don't see it. I'm also not seeing him wrestle high quality matches, though like I said, I'll give you the believability factor.

I haven't watched the match in quite a while, but I remembered it being pretty good, especially compared to almost anything WWF and WCW did in 1995. I even enjoyed it back in the day before I became a Glen Jacobs mark and when I thought "Isaac Yankem" was unwatchable for being a stupid character (SMARK IN TRAINING!). Personal preferences, I guess.

1. ) I think Show can have a good match with almost anyone. I don't see any evidence that Henry has had better matches with a larger group of opponents. I've seen Henry have a good match with Angle, and an OK match with Rey. That's it. Let's face it, Angle and Rey are pretty darn good.

2. ) I think Kane has taken complete crap for most of his career and made it entertaining. Henry just hasn't shown much in the area of Entertainment skills.

That being said, I don't think Henry is useless, and i do think WWE should re-sign him. He has freakish strength and a great look. Guys like Henry and Show are easy to capitilize on if booked correctly.

WHAAA? Dude, regardless if people here agree with me or not, I'm pretty sure that Scrooge AND WMD would BOTH admit to how athletic Henry is. At least I would hope so. The dude is 400 lbs and can dunk a basketball. In the match against Rey, he didn't look slow whatsoever. That althletic enough for you?

You may want to look harder.

Oh yeah, he's an incrdedible athlete.

I would just disagree with Show being able to have a good match with almost anyone. Outside of Triple H, Show hasn't had a memorable match to me since probably the Angle/Lesner/Show feud.

I'm not debating entertainment. I'm debating working ability.

I agree with this 100%. Partly the reason why I complain about the WWE is that they book shit so poorly.....

The fucker did a slam dunk on a regulation basketball hoop! That's being a good fuckin athlete for a 400+ pounder. No more to be said. With that one sentence you drove the point home.


Edit: Oh, and need I remind the Super-Awesome-Reversal he did? From a down position, he rolled over onto his knees and to his feet, then turned the move into an overhead powerslam... all with Rey in his hands!!

I think I even commented on that was probably the most enjoyable match I've ever seen Henry in, because he actually kept up with Rey the whole time, but didn't make Rey look like a piece of garbage either.

From a workrate standpoint, I'd say they are pretty even at this point. (Though I'd say Kane was better when 100 %) I was just sizing them up as professional wrestlers, in which case I think Kane is much better, partly due to how he's been booked.