Title: Ways to improve the WWF
Mad Dog - January 6, 2005 06:15 PM (GMT)
This is a shameless rip off of BigSwigg's TNA thread.
1. World Title defenses. At this point we all know that the main titles don't change hands on free tv so why even bother have title defenses on tv? Just save World Title defenses for PPV and people will actually pay to see it because it might be a title change. With that said:
2. Don't castrate challengers. People don't care about title defenses because the challenger never has a chance. This has been the biggest problem with Triple H's run since 02. He makes his challenger look like shit so no one thinks they can win. And even when they win it's about when Triple H will get it back because he still made them look like shit.
3. Bring back squash matches. The reason I don't buy PPVs is because I know I'll see every match on that card done on free tv within a month of the PPV. They need to go back to the days where you rarely saw the mid-carders and main eventers lose on tv and most guys didn't face each other very often. How is it the biggest main event for Raw when it's a tag match we've seen on every Raw this year? Every match has been done to death at this point.
SamoaRowe - January 6, 2005 07:26 PM (GMT)
1) No more than 12 pay-per-views a year. Since they frequently have two months to build up single brand shows, they should take advantage of that time instead of doing nothing for a month until the other show has had their ppv. Cards for ppvs should be announced well ahead of time, not made at the last minute.
2) This one is for Smackdown specifically: don't get all melodramatic over minor heels attacking face incidents. I'm thinking of when they made a big deal over JBL punching Undertaker into a corner and selling it as if it was some sort of hardcore beatdown or when Kurt Angle shaved Big Show's head and that was made out to be more severe than when Show threw Angle off of a balcony.
3) Give the midcarders stuff to do. Everyone should have a feud.
4) Continuity! Don't act like Torrie and Dawn can get along sometimes because DAWN MARRIED TORRIE'S FATHER AND HAD SEX WITH HIM SO MUCH THAT HE DIED! Likewise, acknowledge that Edge and Christian are brothers and have a history on Raw! The other really annoying thing is when two wrestlers feud for a long time and become established enemies... and then one of them turns and suddenly they are pals. I'm looking at Trish and Molly, and Rey Mysterio and Chavo.
5) Let Paul Heyman write and stop shooting down all of his ideas that are far superior than anything Stephanie McMahon has come up with.
6) Remove Stephanie McMahon from the creative team.
7) Hire some GOOD independent talent and actually utilize them. Half the guys coming out of OVW are beyond bland.
8) Stop using Eddie Guerrero to put over whatever flavor of the week heel needs to be put over each week on Smackdown (I'm thinking of Eddie's jobs to Mark Jindrak and the Bashams).
I can go on and on, but I'm going to end now... before I rant all day.
PedigreeMC - January 8, 2005 05:58 PM (GMT)
I am with ya on the Guerrero stuff Ernie, he is awesome and a waste of a past champion.
1. Get rid of the brand extension - This right here could make all of the difference in the world if you ask me. I haven't liked this since its beginning and MadDog himself is a witness to that. Bring everything back together so you have Cena on Raw, Batista on Smackdown, (with Lesner being an exception) who are probably the only two decent stars you have made since this whole thing began. Obviously, they aren't using the brand extension to make new stars because there do not seem to be any. Just combine the brands and get it over with so you have some fresh matchups.
2. Less PPVs - Ernie is right on this one except I would like to bring them back to 6 or so to make them more important. The WWE will probably never do this but since only a 100,000 people or so are watching these things from month to month, if you joined the brands and had a huge PPV every 2 months, you might get a big number because they would seem so much more special.
Scrooge McSuck - January 8, 2005 06:02 PM (GMT)
Problem with ending the brand split...
There's at least 70 wrestlers on the roster, not counting injured wrestlers, new people being brought up from OVW all the time, divas, etc. Combining the rosters hands about 20 more people pink slips and a half-assed good luck at not eating out of a dumpster.
Mad Dog - January 8, 2005 06:05 PM (GMT)
My only problem with a brand split is that Angle, HHH and Taker's politics would pollute both shows. As much as the split bothers me I think it's be 100x worse with HHH on both shows.
PedigreeMC - January 8, 2005 06:31 PM (GMT)
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| There's at least 70 wrestlers on the roster, not counting injured wrestlers, new people being brought up from OVW all the time, divas, etc. Combining the rosters hands about 20 more people pink slips and a half-assed good luck at not eating out of a dumpster. |
Well that doesn't make the TV any less entertaining. Bad for them, good for TV. I blame the brand extension as the sole reason I do not even watch one of the programs I cared alot about before it began. Smackdown completely sucks. I have watched it twice in the past 6 months and 3 of my best friends do not even watch it at all. It has suffered the most.
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| My only problem with a brand split is that Angle, HHH and Taker's politics would pollute both shows. As much as the split bothers me I think it's be 100x worse with HHH on both shows. |
Well 2 out of 3 is not bad but I disagree on HHH. Yeah sure the guy has taken command but in what organization has that not happened MD? WCW had flair for years then it had Hogan. WWF had Hogan for years then into HBK, then Austin, and now its HHH.
HHH isn't as good as the rest of those guys I'll agree on but the show that he is on is better. We have the majority of our discussions here about Raw do we not? Personally, I have liked the angles that have been centered around him lately quite a bit and he is half the reason the Batista turn is going so well. HHH really is the best mic worker on the entire program save Flair and he without question gives you someone to hate all the time.
It seems that alot of folks that loved HHH a few years ago have turned on him because of his (politics).Well what do you call how he got his push? He got to use DX as his whipping boys, got the best entrance complete with awesome music in the business, wrestled and beat the boss, married the bosses daughter, took his company from him, ran the company with the daughter he stole, and he beat Mick Foley, Austin, and the Rock clean (as a heel mind you). He is getting no more of a push now then he was then. Before you say he doesn't have good matches anymore, notice the deterioration in the calibur of his opponents. No Foley, Austin, Rock, or Angle make HHH a dull boy. The matches he had with Beniot and HBK were great.
I just don't get it, he is still entertaining to me. Maybe if he got some more opponents out there he would have more consistently good matches but the only big timer left on Raw is Batista. Every other person on that show has beaten HHH and it didn't matter because they did not have what it takes. Bring the companies together so we can have some fresh matchups.
Scrooge McSuck - January 8, 2005 06:34 PM (GMT)
Difference with Hogan is he actually MADE money for the company, and was 1 of the main reasons WCW was #1 (nWo, I rest my case). Hunter and Undertaker have been the headliners since the nose-dive in ratings and buyrates have happend.
If you can draw, you have a right to say who you want to work with. Flair did it, Hogan did it, and both made money. Hunter and Undertaker do it, but I don't see the money. I see horrible buyrates from the two at an all-time low this year, and the ratings have steadily gone from 5.0's in 2002 to 3.5's and lower, all while Undertaker and Hunter have been the main attractions.
PedigreeMC - January 8, 2005 11:09 PM (GMT)
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Difference with Hogan is he actually MADE money for the company, and was 1 of the main reasons WCW was #1 (nWo, I rest my case). Hunter and Undertaker have been the headliners since the nose-dive in ratings and buyrates have happend.
If you can draw, you have a right to say who you want to work with. |
I hear what you're saying and agree with you somewhat because I have used that argument before for Hogan and others in his defense. Thats why I mentioned that I did not think that HHH was as good as the above mentioned in my last post. Perhaps there is a sort of entitlement to those who have actually drawn big such as Austin or Hogan.
Politics are wrong you won't hear me defend the politicking itself, just the reasoning behind it. You cannot blame Hogan, HHH, or anyone that gets the company laid out for them. Its Vince's fault more than it is HHH's. Its probably not a stretch to say that if you put anyone in the position to be at the top of their profession, making probably more money than anyone else, that 9 times out of 10 they would do it.
The point that I was trying to make in my earlier post was that politics have ALWAYS existed in wrestling so why even bother complaining about that aspect of the business. If it isn't HHH, it will be someone else. Now even my remaining favorite wrestler Kurt Angle has joined the fray and become one of the hated.
As long as you can think back there was never a time when there weren't favorites being played in wrestling. HHH obviously is not going anywhere because he married the boss's daughter in real life and positioned himself for even a possibility of running the company someday. He must be doing his job because the entirety of the net hates him and all raise their collective hands in victory everytime he loses.
To get back on topic here, bringing the two brands back together would give you two strong programs instead of just one. If not, do another draft or something to try to integrate some talent between the shows because Smackdown most of all is looking worse than Thunder did for WCW. The shows could also use some fresh minds in the creative to agree with what Ernie said above. Get rid of Stephanie McMahon because she is a big part of the problem and it seems alot of times, that you read about things she has vetoed out of spite.
dynamite kido - January 9, 2005 12:57 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Charlotte Bobcat @ Jan 8 2005, 12:34 PM) |
Difference with Hogan is he actually MADE money for the company, and was 1 of the main reasons WCW was #1 (nWo, I rest my case). Hunter and Undertaker have been the headliners since the nose-dive in ratings and buyrates have happend.
If you can draw, you have a right to say who you want to work with. Flair did it, Hogan did it, and both made money. Hunter and Undertaker do it, but I don't see the money. I see horrible buyrates from the two at an all-time low this year, and the ratings have steadily gone from 5.0's in 2002 to 3.5's and lower, all while Undertaker and Hunter have been the main attractions. |
I wouldn't say that Hogan made WCW anything. Considering that they made money one year (1996), and Hogan only main evented or wrestled I believe on four PPV's. On top of that not all of them were even singles matches where he was pushed as the draw for the match. The nWo was always what got the TV ratings but WCW wasn't even making money in the years that they were around besides half of 1996 where they didn't even wrestle for months after their arrival.
Also, as much as I dislike HHH and Undertaker right now......nobody would really be drawing a good rating at this point. I won't happen overnight and they would have to change direction of the company for THAT to happen. The only other thing I could see changing ratings on a short-term, quick scale would be if they had a shitload of returns to the company and it sparked fan interest. I mean guys like Hogan, Rock, Foley, Brock, etc.....and that isn't even a guarantee. So basically, there isn't a active draw in pro wrestling these days....at least not in the US.....on a sizable scale.
JD Storm - January 10, 2005 05:55 AM (GMT)
here's an idea, that would really help WWE. get actual writers with legitimate wrestling knowledge......none of the Hollywood sitcom writers.
last i heard, WWE still has sitcom writers.