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Title: Ways TNA could improve
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Big F'N Swigg - January 5, 2005 11:35 PM (GMT)
Similar to a thread I've started elsewhere, but I thought it would be best to start again with the fresh meat we have here at DWB.

Post ways that TNA could improve themselves or gain an audience. And number them accordingly.

1. Cross promote with other NWA affiliates. WHY? Because you help them draw crowds, and the crowds they usually draw see your stars. Eventually all the fans of the NWA will know about TNA and will hopefully watch.

2. Put the TNA logo up at iMPACT Zone. WHY? You're not just selling wrestling, Jarretts, you're selling a brand. Whether or not JJJ is champion, AJ Styles works for the company, or Raven works for the company, you want the name of TNA to spread far and wide. You want TNA to be synonomous with wrestling the same way that the NWA name was in the seventies and early eighties.

3. Start a freaking blood feud. And I don't mean a feud in which someone bleeds because it's so violent. I mean start a feud that seems more important than the title. Want ideas for this? Talk to Raven. He was in two of the best of all time. The fact that he and Dreamer had known each other since they were 12 made the feud more important than the company. The fact that he stole the Sandman's family made it more important than the title. LEARN FROM THAT.

TehDoct0r - January 6, 2005 04:47 AM (GMT)
I pretty much agree with everything you said, but isn't TNA attempting to be separate from the NWA or something? I remember there being a big fuss about that awhile back, but it sorta died down.

Scrooge McSuck - January 6, 2005 04:49 AM (GMT)
I could've sworn that in a few years (HA! TNA will be dead in 2 months) the Jarretts would actually own the name "NWA", so I'm guessing for now they are just being reffered to as "TNA", like when WCW severed ties with NWA and completely became WCW.

PedigreeMC - January 6, 2005 01:56 PM (GMT)
BigSwiggy I think you put your most important thing last. They need a bigtime fued and it has to have a good angle. TNA lacks angles. From what I have seen of the program, mostly people just get mad at each other and wrestle. Something is needed to draw fans though, especially casual fans. They need something special. Just like that past angle you described. TNA needs an edge to it like the WWF has years ago and as you mentioned, ECW. When WCW was hot it had an edge too.

Something else that is hurting them is that Jarrett is not the type of person to build a promotion around and hes just too generic to bring fans in.


Scrooge McSuck - January 6, 2005 02:15 PM (GMT)
The only angle that made me want to order a show was Raven vs. Jarrett in the Winter-Spring of 2003. It actually looked like it was a big deal match. Naturally, they screwed it up because A.) Raven didn't have a long-term contract (I'm pretty sure his original had expired that night), B.) Refused to sign one that night, C.) Having everyone on the roster run-in.

SamoaRowe - January 6, 2005 03:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Charlotte Bobcat @ Jan 6 2005, 08:15 AM)
The only angle that made me want to order a show was Raven vs. Jarrett in the Winter-Spring of 2003. It actually looked like it was a big deal match. Naturally, they screwed it up because A.) Raven didn't have a long-term contract (I'm pretty sure his original had expired that night), B.) Refused to sign one that night, C.) Having everyone on the roster run-in.

Hehe, but that match was overbooked fun :)

Wouldn't been ten times better if Raven had won though...

I think the last TNA ppv I ordered was the King of the Mountain match. I figured Jarrett would win, but I was in the mood for wrestling that night.

Big F'N Swigg - January 6, 2005 09:47 PM (GMT)
4. STOP OVERBOOKING ENDINGS!!!

The Last Free Voice - January 11, 2005 08:24 PM (GMT)
Can't beleive I missed this one. My .02

A: The X Division HAS to be more than three guys. AJ-Lynn-Ki worked. Any other attempts to put the XD on only three guys didn't. The more people who seem to be "In the hunt" the better. Sonjay Dutt would be perfect for a nice XD push. Kid Kash too (even though I'm not a huge fan of his, I'll take what I can get.) And what about SHELLEY? He's sitting at home! Gimmie a break.

B: Make good matches. Please. Make something people will want to see. That seems common sense, but most companies don't get it. (in fact, the only company that puts "must see" matches on a regular basis anymore seems to be ROH)

More forthcoming, I'm sure...

D.A.V.E. - January 11, 2005 08:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Last Free Voice @ Jan 11 2005, 09:24 PM)
) And what about SHELLEY? He's sitting at home!

Un - be - fucking - leivable

The Last Free Voice - January 11, 2005 08:28 PM (GMT)
What, that he's sitting at home, or did I say something stupid again?

D.A.V.E. - January 11, 2005 08:33 PM (GMT)
That he's sitting at home. Sorry for the misunderstanding

The Last Free Voice - January 11, 2005 08:34 PM (GMT)
Totally my fault. I'm so pre-disposed to thinking I said something stupid, it's my first thought.

dynamite kido - January 11, 2005 10:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BigSwiggy @ Jan 5 2005, 05:35 PM)
3. Start a freaking blood feud. And I don't mean a feud in which someone bleeds because it's so violent. I mean start a feud that seems more important than the title. Want ideas for this? Talk to Raven. He was in two of the best of all time. The fact that he and Dreamer had known each other since they were 12 made the feud more important than the company. The fact that he stole the Sandman's family made it more important than the title. LEARN FROM THAT.

GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT.

You are so on the money with this it's not even funny. THIS is what could seperate them from their current position. I know they have nothing compared to this, but the whole WWF Attitude era was build around Austin/McMahon. It was a fued with a great wrestler vs. a great performer(not in ring either) and it caught the public's attention. WHY? Because it was a fucking feud. Not just any feud....it was a badass fued. Say what you want about it, but it was done so well that it sent Austin into space as far as his popularity goes and the rest is history. I'm not saying that TNA could do the same thing.......but wouldn't it be a nice starting point to figure out a feud that could possibly carry your company?

TehDoct0r - January 12, 2005 09:16 AM (GMT)
The closest thing to that we have is DDP vs Raven.

The Last Free Voice - January 12, 2005 03:40 PM (GMT)
Raven Yes. DDP? I don't really buy it. It would really have to be Raven JJ, or MAYBE Raven vs. Brown or AJ... But I still think (after all this time even) that JJ vs. Raven is where it's at...

TehDoct0r - January 12, 2005 07:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Last Free Voice @ Jan 12 2005, 09:40 AM)
Raven Yes. DDP? I don't really buy it. It would really have to be Raven JJ, or MAYBE Raven vs. Brown or AJ... But I still think (after all this time even) that JJ vs. Raven is where it's at...

I meant that Raven vs DDP is the closest thing we have to a blood feud, as there's a past beef which somehow manufactured hatred. The other feuds are usually just "the heels are dicks and the faces wanna kick their ass" and don't go any deeper than that really. And I like both Raven and DDP (Yes, I like DDP) but even with the "blood feud," the Eric Watts stuff is making it all so stupid.

An extended Raven vs AJ feud could be gold.

dynamite kido - January 12, 2005 07:50 PM (GMT)
I'm saying that they have the perfect fued under their noses and they don't even realize it. DO AJ/DANIELS!!!!!!!

TehDoct0r - January 12, 2005 07:57 PM (GMT)
That's just too easy. But really, I'd love to see it.

Anyone else think Raven/Daniels could be good?

The Last Free Voice - January 12, 2005 08:40 PM (GMT)
Who'd be the face?

Real F'n Show - January 12, 2005 10:59 PM (GMT)
Raven's a better face than Daniels. That feud would WORK though, because both are awesome on the mic and great/entertaining in the ring as well. Plus Raven has a nac for thinking up good storylines, and everything Daniels touches turns to gold.

dynamite kido - January 12, 2005 11:51 PM (GMT)
Honestly, I've enjoyed Raven for years. I just don't see what the big deal is with him anymore though. I enjoyed his "destiny" angle with JJ and the stuff that he did with AJ, but he hasn't done much good stuff in a while. I did like him and DDP, but it was nothing special. I think they should keep Raven away from the main event stuff now though.

whitemilesdavis - January 13, 2005 02:24 AM (GMT)
One quick way TNA could be better is to push Truth. Seriously, I loved his initial run for the title, but he's basically been MIA for a year or so now. (I know he had the belt for e few weeks, but...)

I also think DDP could be very useful. He's an ex-World Champ who was incredibly over at one point, and he's a decent worker who hasn't been over-exposed. I think he would be able to give a younger guy the rub he needs to go to the top.

TehDoct0r - January 13, 2005 06:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Real F'n Show @ Jan 12 2005, 04:59 PM)
Raven's a better face than Daniels. That feud would WORK though, because both are awesome on the mic and great/entertaining in the ring as well. Plus Raven has a nac for thinking up good storylines, and everything Daniels touches turns to gold.

Word.

And I agree with the Truth and DDP comments. God, I love this board.

Peter North - January 14, 2005 03:09 AM (GMT)
They do need a big feud, you're right. But AJ/Daniels? How many times can you trot out those two to wrestle each other, angle or no angle? They've been wrestling each other all over the indies for years.

Big F'N Swigg - January 14, 2005 04:15 AM (GMT)
I personally believe that someone should come in and attack everything that TNA stands for. I think Corino would be good for it. Have him bash TNA and the talent, and have AJ respond. Start a feud over what the NWA stands for, etc.

TehDoct0r - January 14, 2005 06:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Peter North @ Jan 13 2005, 09:09 PM)
They do need a big feud, you're right. But AJ/Daniels? How many times can you trot out those two to wrestle each other, angle or no angle? They've been wrestling each other all over the indies for years.

That means little to nothing in the current TNA landscape, methinks. Plus, I personally could watch those two wrestle each other 200 times.

dynamite kido - January 14, 2005 02:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Peter North @ Jan 13 2005, 09:09 PM)
They do need a big feud, you're right. But AJ/Daniels? How many times can you trot out those two to wrestle each other, angle or no angle? They've been wrestling each other all over the indies for years.

Well, until they can do something better than that match.............they should at least have the feud......ONCE.

whitemilesdavis - January 14, 2005 05:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BigSwiggy @ Jan 13 2005, 10:15 PM)
I personally believe that someone should come in and attack everything that TNA stands for. I think Corino would be good for it. Have him bash TNA and the talent, and have AJ respond. Start a feud over what the NWA stands for, etc.

Corino should be the TNA champ. I think the attacking everything TNA stands for angle has been overdone, but there is definitely a place for him in TNA.

dynamite kido - January 14, 2005 06:53 PM (GMT)
Honestly, I never understood all the Corino dick beating on the net....

whitemilesdavis - January 14, 2005 07:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (dynamite kido @ Jan 14 2005, 12:53 PM)
Honestly, I never understood all the Corino dick beating on the net....

Part of it his his obvious love for the business, and the "throwback" type of respect he has for it. Another thing is his ability to sell a match/feud on the mic. So few people can do that nowadays, but give him the opportunity, and he'll make you believe in his hatred for his opponent.

He's kinda like Flair, in that his ring work is passable-really good, but that isn't normally the first thing you buy into with him.

Now I know you're more of a Puro fan, and if all I had seen from him was Zero-One, I probably wouldn't care about him,as his work there was pretty bad.

Scrooge McSuck - January 14, 2005 08:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (dynamite kido @ Jan 14 2005, 01:53 PM)
Honestly, I never understood all the Corino dick beating on the net....

Ditto. I think his mic work is quite good, but his in ring stuff has never really made me go "Wow, he's great." He's average at best when it comes to wrestling, but his promos are usually great.

The Last Free Voice - January 14, 2005 09:12 PM (GMT)
I've enjoyed the ROH Work I've seen of him... (ASX and MES)

whitemilesdavis - January 14, 2005 09:47 PM (GMT)
I thought his color commentary on Era of Honor.. was as good as any I've heard.

dynamite kido - January 14, 2005 09:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (whitemilesdavis @ Jan 14 2005, 01:21 PM)
Part of it his his obvious love for the business, and the "throwback" type of respect he has for it. Another thing is his ability to sell a match/feud on the mic. So few people can do that nowadays, but give him the opportunity, and he'll make you believe in his hatred for his opponent.

He's kinda like Flair, in that his ring work is passable-really good, but that isn't normally the first thing you buy into with him.

Now I know you're more of a Puro fan, and if all I had seen from him was Zero-One, I probably wouldn't care about him,as his work there was pretty bad.

Well, I know he has love for the business which I can appreciate. As a person, Corino doesn't seem like a bad guy at all. He is OK on the mic in my opinion as he would only be able to get himself over on the mic on the indy's or Japan. He ISN'T good enough to get himself over in front of a WWE audience AT ALL.

Now, I've seen more than his Zero-One stuff(which I totally agree with you....is abismal), his ECW work was pretty much on par as is his ROH stuff too. But to me people have always went apeshit for him like he's the second coming of Bret Hart.....but IMO, he's a poor man's Tully Blanchard.

whitemilesdavis - January 14, 2005 10:02 PM (GMT)
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He ISN'T good enough to get himself over in front of a WWE audience AT ALL.


I couldn't disagree more. I think he is the best on the mic in the business. Bar none. Now he doesn't do the comedy crap that WWE main eventers have been stuck on since Austin took over, but he can cut a money promo like noone else.

QUOTE
But to me people have always went apeshit for him like he's the second coming of Bret Hart.....but IMO, he's a poor man's Tully Blanchard.


I wouldn't say he's a great technical wrestler, but he's good enough. Also, and I love Tully Blanchard, he's better in every way than Tully ever was. And I love Tully.

dynamite kido - January 14, 2005 10:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (whitemilesdavis @ Jan 14 2005, 04:02 PM)
I wouldn't say he's a great technical wrestler, but he's good enough. Also, and I love Tully Blanchard, he's better in every way than Tully ever was. And I love Tully.

WOW, I'm shocked. I know your a self admitted Corino mark......but BETTER THAN BLANCHARD?!?!?!!

I couldn't possibly disagree with this more. Personally, I don't think Corino could hold a candle to Tully's ass......but we might have to agree to disagree.

Scrooge McSuck - January 14, 2005 10:08 PM (GMT)
WWF was willing to hire Tully Blanchard. Obviously something is wrong with Steve Corino. (horrible logic, eh?)

dynamite kido - January 14, 2005 10:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Charlotte Bobcat @ Jan 14 2005, 04:08 PM)
WWF was willing to hire Tully Blanchard. Obviously something is wrong with Steve Corino. (horrible logic, eh?)

Well, I'll admit the only reason why Corino isn't in the WWE is because he's chemical free if you catch my drift.

Scrooge McSuck - January 14, 2005 10:15 PM (GMT)
Just for the record: My previous post was a joke. I honestly don't see the comparisdon to Tully Blanchard. Blanchard didn't seem like much of a talker, but he was a damn good wrestler (I haven't seen too much of his Horsemen stuff, but it seemed like JJ and Flair carried the talking load).

dynamite kido - January 14, 2005 10:18 PM (GMT)
Well, during the horseman days.....all the Horseman could cut a hell of a promo....at least in my opinion.




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