Title: Would WWE really sign anyone....
Description: from TNA if it folded?
Big F'N Swigg - January 5, 2005 11:23 PM (GMT)
The title says it all. Would WWE be interested in anyone from TNA, and if so, would they do them justice?
DISCUSS.
Mad Dog - January 5, 2005 11:31 PM (GMT)
I think they should be interested in several guys but I doubt they sign many people after Monty Brown, AJ Styles and a few others. Brown especially they'll take away everything that's gotten him over at this point.
Big F'N Swigg - January 5, 2005 11:46 PM (GMT)
Tell me why they would sign anyone. I just don't see it.
Scrooge McSuck - January 6, 2005 12:03 AM (GMT)
The only person I see WWE signing is MAYBE Monty Brown. He's big, muscular, and can cut a good, although WEIRD, promo.
Styles would probably say no since, WWE had no interest in the Vanilla Hillbillies (AMW), Raven is past it and probably not welcome back, Fuck Jarrett, Abyss... maybe, although he's basically Kane & Mankind minus the talent...
Ron Killings might have a case to come back. Everyone else either no or their Over-seas commitments are more important than wrestling Velocity/Heat for WWE.
Real F'n Show - January 6, 2005 04:28 AM (GMT)
I can't really see them signing anyone honestly. If they had any strong interest, they could probably find a way to sign them now if they wanted them bad enough. I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up Monty Brown, but that's about it. I don't think the WWE will sign Abyss, now that he's left the company.
JD Storm - January 6, 2005 07:35 AM (GMT)
maybe a few people.....but, i don't see it as being a strong possibility.
Monty Brown...probably for his size.
AJ Styles for the Cruiserweight Division....maybe use him like Misterio.
AMW.....i believe WWE was interested in them for awhile.
other then that, i don't see it happening.
PedigreeMC - January 6, 2005 01:47 PM (GMT)
Abyss could be a star if booked right, especially with that fantastic finisher. They might sign him, Monty and like everyone else said, AJ. There really doesn't seem to be anyone else on that program that sticks out right now. The older stars of the program (Jarrett, Nash, Hall, DDP) the WWF either has beef with or would not sign due to their age. I do not see anything special about AMW anyway so they would be screwed as well.
Scrooge McSuck - January 6, 2005 02:08 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (JD Storm @ Jan 6 2005, 02:35 AM) |
| AMW.....i believe WWE was interested in them for awhile. |
Vince has described them as too vanilla and hicks (thick southern accents). He passed them over when TNA wrestlers were allowed to leave before the contract signing.
The Shadow - January 6, 2005 03:06 PM (GMT)
Can't imagine anyone aside from Abyss (who's possibly already WWE bound) and Monty Brown. They've had a look at almost everyone else on the roster and obviously didn't sign them, or released them.
SamoaRowe - January 6, 2005 03:53 PM (GMT)
If it were up to me...
I'd hire AMW and put them on Smackdown to build them up for the tag titles.
I'd hire Pat Kenny and Swinger and make them a team again. Kenney would become Simon Diamond again and I'd put them on Raw to build up the tag division.
I'd hire Abyss and put him on Smackdown.
I'd hire Monty Brown and put him on Raw.
I'd hire AJ Styles and put him on Smackdown.
I'd hire Kid Kash and put him on Smackdown.
The Shadow - January 6, 2005 04:42 PM (GMT)
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I'd hire AMW and put them on Smackdown to build them up for the tag titles.
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Vince thinks they are too southern, hickish.
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| I'd hire Pat Kenny and Swinger and make them a team again. Kenney would become Simon Diamond again and I'd put them on Raw to build up the tag division. |
They already passed on Simon. Not sure if they ever took a look at Swinger or not but I think he might have had a dark/B-show match somewhere.
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I'd hire AJ Styles and put him on Smackdown.
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Don't see that ever happening.
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| I'd hire Kid Kash and put him on Smackdown. |
What does he bring to the table that the current Smackdown cruisers don't?
SamoaRowe - January 6, 2005 07:31 PM (GMT)
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Vince thinks they are too southern, hickish.
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Then Vince is writing them off too easily.
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| QUOTE | | I'd hire Pat Kenny and Swinger and make them a team again. Kenney would become Simon Diamond again and I'd put them on Raw to build up the tag division. |
They already passed on Simon. Not sure if they ever took a look at Swinger or not but I think he might have had a dark/B-show match somewhere.
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Swinger without Simon does not work very well. Besides, this is what I would do personally, not what I really expect to happen.
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| QUOTE | I'd hire AJ Styles and put him on Smackdown.
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Don't see that ever happening.
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Never say never... but I don't expect that to happen either.
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| QUOTE | | I'd hire Kid Kash and put him on Smackdown. |
What does he bring to the table that the current Smackdown cruisers don't?
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Kid Kash became one of the very best heels in TNA, he could really help elevate the cruiserweights. I know Vince doesn't want to do this, so once again, this is just what I would like to see.
Scrooge McSuck - January 6, 2005 07:38 PM (GMT)
Kid Kash's attitude problem isn't welcome anywhere. He's barely 5'7", he sounds like a hillbilly, and he really isn't that good.
Strike 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11 in Vince McMahon's book. Height is 7-strikes alone, and Hillbilly is 3.
TehDoct0r - January 6, 2005 08:40 PM (GMT)
Scrooge McSuck - January 6, 2005 08:45 PM (GMT)
...Them's fighting words. (goes to Mod controls)
TehDoct0r - January 6, 2005 08:48 PM (GMT)
Don't get me wrong, I love me some Funaki, I just think Kash owns him in every observable quality there is. But then again, you like Kane. :blink:
I'm kidding, by the way.
The Shadow - January 7, 2005 03:01 PM (GMT)
Funaki is loyal and won't bad mouth the company the minute he feels he's not being used right.
Big F'N Swigg - January 7, 2005 03:41 PM (GMT)
Kid Kash would be a great foil to the typical WWE cruiserweight. But alas, my hometown hero will never grace a WWE ring as a full-time worker.
Scrooge McSuck - January 7, 2005 04:40 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (BigSwiggy @ Jan 7 2005, 10:41 AM) |
| Kid Kash would be a great foil to the typical WWE cruiserweight. But alas, my hometown hero will never grace a WWE ring as a full-time worker. |
Thank God. WWE isn't Hillbilly, U.S.A.
And he lost about a million points in my book with the lame-ass Van-Terminator move that he fucks up everytime he does it.
Big F'N Swigg - January 7, 2005 09:35 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Charlotte Bobcat @ Jan 7 2005, 10:40 AM) |
| QUOTE (BigSwiggy @ Jan 7 2005, 10:41 AM) | | Kid Kash would be a great foil to the typical WWE cruiserweight. But alas, my hometown hero will never grace a WWE ring as a full-time worker. |
Thank God. WWE isn't Hillbilly, U.S.A.
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That's funny coming from someone with Charlotte in their name.
Scrooge McSuck - January 7, 2005 09:44 PM (GMT)
Uh... um... (jumps out window)
PedigreeMC - January 8, 2005 05:51 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (The Shadow @ Jan 7 2005, 10:01 AM) |
| Funaki is loyal and won't bad mouth the company the minute he feels he's not being used right. |
I have noticed that about number of ECW guys. Reckon they think that just because they were a bigshot in a bingo hall where the booker let them do anything they want that they should get some special treatment.
TehDoct0r - January 8, 2005 08:22 PM (GMT)
I don't know if it's "special treatment," but I think it's okay of them to ask for fair treatment. Save the Dudley Boyz, it's pretty obvious that Vince just hates former ECW boys. RVD got a push, but he was then dropped down low for no good reason. Nowadays he's a shell of his former self, I'm talking about when he was getting bigger pops than anybody back in 01/02. Tommy Dreamer's biggest break in the E was eating Taker's vomit. Say what you want about Tazz being a "big fish in a small pond," but I KNOW he could have been more useful than jobbing out to Jerry Lawler. Saturn (if you count him as ECW brethern) was made to look like a retard. Lance Storm was saddled with the "boring" gimmick. Stevie Richards got his 15 minutes with the PTC parody, and now he's jobbing on Heat. Tajiri is probablly one of the more talented performers on RAW, and he is doing absolutely JACK SHIT after that ridiculous angle with Coach (this after he proved he could go in that great series with Eddie on SD). I don't even know what to say about Rhyno.
Say what you want about them not being talented. I'm not saying all these guys should be main eventers. But if Tyson Tomko, Gene Snitsky, and Kenzo Suzuki can have constant, visible parts on the main shows, these guys can (or could have) too.
Scrooge McSuck - January 8, 2005 08:30 PM (GMT)
Stevie Richards is too injury prone, and thus really shouldn't be given any type of push. Notice he wrestled very seldomly when RTC was on RAW and Smackdown every week?
Saturn was doing fine until he turned into a dick and beat the shit out of a jobber on Jakked when he botched a move. The moppy gimmick was punishment, which lead to Saturn getting more uptight and eventually released.
RVD is too one dimentional. Take away his flippy-floppy stuff and you have nothing. The guy throws worse punches than Lita and is immune to selling, except for the DDT which he gladly sells like death.
Taz(z) was just way too friggin' short and was already in the twilight of his career thanks to back problems.
Tajiri is Japanese, which is an automatic strike out since Vince LOVES making fun of non-Americans. He may not be a key player, but he's entertaining and isn't exactly a jobber.
Tommy Dreamer was also very injury prone and in the twilight of his career. He had nowhere to go and eventually retired. He works with WWE still as some sort of talent scout or something, so he made out alright in the long run.
Rhyno is impressive looking... from a distance. He's a short stocky guy with horrible promo skills. He hasn't had many (if any) good matches, and has 1 move: the Goar. I can't think of anything else he does that stands out.
As much as I like most of the ECW guys, none of them really deserved any kind of serious push above midcard because of attitude problems or nagging injuries. The only argument is for RVD, but because he's too much of a whining bitch, and has an attitude where he feels like he should half-ass every match, he deserves nothing.
PedigreeMC - January 8, 2005 10:50 PM (GMT)
RVD also had quite a few problems with the way he worked. If you remember, before he had that hardcore title taken away (which was giving him free reign to do his "extreme" spots) he had opened up several people. Included was Jericho (twice), Angle (Twice), Test, Jeff Hardy, and Austin.
After a while the WWF had to have him tone down because he didn't know how to be a professional wrestler. You dont go out there to have shoot fights and hurt people, your main job is to protect and RVD didn't care about protecting his opponents, he just wanted to get over his moves and himself. Pile on top of this that RVD cannot cut a promo and never has been able to and its a wrap.
BobcatFan pretty much ran down the rest of the guys that TehDoctor named. Really Dreamer and Richards just had no chance. Dreamers career is over and Richards never has been all that great of a wrestler or anything else. He was mostly a stooge.
Tajiri and Rhyno both probably reached their peak with Tajiri winning the Cruiser title several times (thats as high as a small guy can go, we've seen that with Rey) and Rhyno winning the US Title. I could not see either of these two going any higher than that.
Scrooge McSuck - January 8, 2005 11:06 PM (GMT)
The above mentioned RVD problem is probably the reason he is rarely allowed to do his Van Daminator anymore. I could swear I heard he was on a house show streak of busting people open in his matches during the Invasion. All those "Hardway's" occured in a small amount of time, and it was almost weird to go a few days without hearing "RVD busts open ____"
Big F'N Swigg - January 9, 2005 02:17 AM (GMT)
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Stevie Richards is too injury prone, and thus really shouldn't be given any type of push. Notice he wrestled very seldomly when RTC was on RAW and Smackdown every week? |
I think part of the gimmick was that he didn't wrestle. He was the "boss" who used his "goons" to do all the dirty work. If he were to wrestle, whoever he wrestled would have had to maul him, and therefore ruin some of the heat. The crowd wouldn't have been as into the angle if everytime he came out he got beat up.
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Saturn was doing fine until he turned into a dick and beat the shit out of a jobber on Jakked when he botched a move. The moppy gimmick was punishment, which lead to Saturn getting more uptight and eventually released.
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Part of Saturn's problem came as a result of who he came in with. He was getting paid like Benoit and Eddie, but working B & C shows. Like Raven, everytime he got a chance to do something a bizarre random incident would ruin it. (Moppy in the wood-chipper as an example.) Add that to his attitude, and you have a really good reason to get a pink slip.
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RVD is too one dimentional. Take away his flippy-floppy stuff and you have nothing. The guy throws worse punches than Lita and is immune to selling, except for the DDT which he gladly sells like death.
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Frankly, I'll agree with you. RVD's appeal dwindles when he's not given free reign to do what he wants.
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Taz(z) was just way too friggin' short and was already in the twilight of his career thanks to back problems.
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I actually think that Taz's career in WWE could've been AMAZING had it been done right. If you treat him like a hard-ass, the fans will buy it. He looks like a rottweiler. No one would think that he wasn't rough as long as you let him act it. WWE's problem is that they can't deal with smaller workers. (Jerry Lynn, for example) In WWE world, if you're too small you can't win a fight. Apparently, they've never got in fights with small people that have big attitudes.
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Tajiri is Japanese, which is an automatic strike out since Vince LOVES making fun of non-Americans. He may not be a key player, but he's entertaining and isn't exactly a jobber.
Tommy Dreamer was also very injury prone and in the twilight of his career. He had nowhere to go and eventually retired. He works with WWE still as some sort of talent scout or something, so he made out alright in the long run.
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Again, I agree. Except I think Tommy Dreamer could've had one good mid-card title run left in him. Use a gimmick similar to DDP's old one, and you may have had some interesting match-ups.
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Rhyno is impressive looking... from a distance. He's a short stocky guy with horrible promo skills. He hasn't had many (if any) good matches, and has 1 move: the Goar. I can't think of anything else he does that stands out. |
I won't say anything, as I am a HUGE Rhyno mark.
-=Swiggy
Scrooge McSuck - January 9, 2005 02:20 AM (GMT)
It's all a matter of opinion. I live with people insulting Hulk Hogan and Kane all the time.... sons of bitches. I won't turn off RAW if Rhyno was on, but he gives me no reason to pay attention.
TehDoct0r - January 9, 2005 11:40 PM (GMT)
All the negative points about the ECW workers you guys gave are valid, but I still think that all of them could have been used better than they were/are. And no one argued that Snitsky and Tomko are more deserving, which makes me happy :D
Scrooge McSuck - January 9, 2005 11:41 PM (GMT)
Tomko and Snitsky shouldn't be allowed in a WWE arena.
Scrooge McSuck - January 10, 2005 01:40 AM (GMT)