So with this book out, does everyone think Barry's getting screwjobbed again or that he's getting what he deserves? Also, does this put his Hall of Fame bid in trouble?


My thoughts: he's still an asshole, and I'm not really surprised by this book. I also don't think this has a chance of derailing his HoF campaign, as much as I'd like to see it do so.

Bonds deserves everything he gets. Even if he does "break" the HR record, I'll refuse to acknowledge it.

On ESPN this morning, they were showing a split total of his stats. Since his 1998 steroid accusation, his batting average through last year has raised more than 70 points total than that of his 1986-1997 total, he's hit more than 40 home runs nearly twice as many times since then that he did from his first 12 years, his HR per AB has doubled from 16.X to 8.X, etc. etc.

I seriously doubt anyone will naturally get that much stronger, especially in their mid-through-late 30's.

The book guys have the right idea, but they're forgetting Bonds 1999 season, when he suffered an injury. After that, it's believed that he took all kinds of supplements and medications to get back. He definitely took the McGwire approved andro supplements (which were legal at the time), but he obviously took more stuff.

I really do think that there's some level of truth to his ignoranance defense. His trainer probabaly said "here Barry, take this" and he did, without question. Stupid idea? Absolutely, but it still means he took something. If this ever goes to some sort of trial (and why would it?), Bonds would get off by embracing the "I didn't know what I was taking" defense. Sort of like involuntary manslaughter.

Any HR records, unfortunately, will stand. If you were to wipe out his records, then "to be fair", you'd have to go back and adjust each pitcher's ERA...then adjust the runs that were scored and how that affected the game's outcome... then adjusted each outcome to that year's standings...then adjust each set of standings and re-do the playoffs... in short, a massive domino clusterfuck.

..and hey..some people HAVE gotten that much stronger, in their mid to late 30's...people like Don Muraco :)

Bottom line, I hope he gets what he deserves.

He's a fucking liar and a cheater. Athletes bodies are their temples, they know EVERYTHING going into their bodies. BONDS especially.

Also, don't think he's a lock for the HOF. Those guys are fucking OLD SCHOOL, and I would't guarantee him getting in because it'd be a black eye on the legacy of baseball.................and honestly that's all baseball has left.

Baseball tarnished it's on frigging legacy. They want now to use Bonds as the scapegoat of all that is evil in baseball, but the fact stands that MLB did not ban steroids until 2002. Personally, I don't care what Bonds did or didn't do. With their lack of policy, the MLB basically endorsed steroid use. THEY should come forth and apologize, not Bonds. If anything, he's just a symptom of the greater disease.

Yeah, that's my other issue with it, WMD. Bonds gets all this crap cuz' he was a weenie to begin with. Albert Belle's already gone from the game, so they've got Bonds. But you're 100% right in that MLB is the bigger culprit. They basically authorized anybody to use steroids.

You can get into the lawyer-speak of "you shouldn't have to specifically state to NOT do something that's bad or immoral". For instance, there's no law stating they can't take chainsaws onto the field, or plant landmines in the outfield. But steroids have been a public controversy since Ben Johnson in 1988. MLB and Bud Selig said they'd get to it eventually...with all those other tasks on their "to-do" list: like contraction, a true labor deal, salary issues, etc...

Instead, they've focussed on bullshit like preventing ties in All-Star Games, increased usher "safety", and the World Baseball "Classic".

My major problem with Bonds is how he's handled everything and I certainly agree that MLB deserves a good part of the blame themselves.

Giambi apologized, Bonds blamed everyone but himself. Fuck him. He deserves to get shit on at every corner.

If Palmeiro can get shit for lying to a grand jury, Bonds should be hung for lying to everyone and his mother, calling racism on everyone for haterizing him (that's Milton Bradley's job), and being a suddenly-giant-head-having superman.

The problem with Bonds is the fact that he's such an asshole. There's nothing redeeming about him as a person, and whatever you may think of the guy as an athlete, that automatically hurts his chances in the HoF.