This was posted at DVDVR.

What a crock of shit. At least they made the TNA show. ROH was fucked as it was with that 2/11 show, so it was important that SOME of the TNA talent stuck around.

As if doing a pointless job to the Naturals was so important anyway.

That doesn't make any sense at all. If they hadn't made it, I could maybe see some kind of discipline...but they did, and there's no point to that.

They're under contract to the company. TNA should come before RoH. They willingly put themselves in a position to miss the show and they knew when they decided that that the new CEO was going to be there judging talent. It's not like they're losing their jobs but probably seeing their push ended for a month or so. They made an awful decision with awful timing. Had Apolo shown up for the last 2 PPVs then maybe they wouldn't be in trouble.

But everyone needs to get a simple fact through their heads now. RoH isn't in the same league as TNA now and whatever TNA wants trumps anything RoH wants. They pay better and they give these guys national exposure on PPV. End of story.

People also need to realize that if TNA house shows succeed that TNA's going to be signing these guys full time and they won't be working RoH anymore.

I could understand TNA maybe fining Aries and Strong for not following the request to return to Orlando early, but the fact that they still made the show should not cause them have to sit on the sidelines for an undetermined amount of time.

This is sending a bad message, IMHO, since Strong and Aries are two midcarders that were scheduled to work a barely advertised (if advertised at all, I didn't even realize they would be wrestling the Naturals at the show until I read the results) and their absence from television won't hurt too much.

Now the next time a more important figure no-shows or almost no-shows (ie, Team 3-D or Rhino) then I hope TNA intends to be consistent with this line of punishing. Otherwise, things are going to get messy backstage.

Hardy, Waltman, Nash and Apolo are the most recent no shows and all have been booted for considerable amounts of time.

The fact is that Aries and Strong made a bad decision and they have to live with it. They'll probably miss a set of tv tapings and lose their push for the time being. I would have a problem if they got fired but they didn't. If they didn't want to make the hard decisions in this situation then they shouldn't have signed the contract. Even if they want to be loyal to RoH they have to understand that TNA is more important and they either need to accept it as No.1 for them or not work there.

I think it is pretty weak. I guess I understand TNA's point and logic, but yeah..they didn't miss the show, so it shouldn't matter. At all.

My biggest problem with this whole thing is that they did make the TNA ppv. They didn't no show. They fulfilled their obligation. The world continued to revolve smoothly. I would say they made a risky choice by staying for the ROH show, but it worked out so I wouldn't be punishing them for this.


Besides, I think ROH has done quite a bit for TNA (in the same sense that ECW did a lot for the WWF back in the 90's) so I think the need for punishment was not necessary.

They disobeyed a direct order from the company though. That's still a punishable offense. Making the show isn't part of the debate. Making the PPV saved their jobs, that's it.

Yeah, I definitely agree. Its a weird situation with their talents being in these kind of psuedo contracts where they still work their own dates.

They need to just start a house show circuit and get guys under real contracts.

So far it's been described as "request" and not an order. But that's not too relevant since everyone interprets words differently.

I say I want to see Aries (without that stupid get-up) and Strong on my television every (or every other) Saturday night, so I may be biased here.

Well, I can't really blame TNA for their decision..............although they gave Jeff Hardy countless chances and he certainly didn't no show shows for wrestling related reason's either. BUT, either way I'm sure both Aries and Strong realized that this could happen to them if the did what they did. On the other hand their being punished could also help to water down TNA's roster a bit at the same time.

Also ROH should be careful with this too. If this ever is a problem again, I could see TNA pulling their talent from all ROH shows the weekends before PPV's.

What's the difference between Request or demand? Are you going to say "oh, my boss requested me to do something. Fuck him! He didn't DEMAND it!"

Same fucking thing. YOU LISTEN TO YOUR BOSS. Especially if you're a wrestler and the boss in question has full rights to cancel your scheduled dates with other promotions if they feel necessary.

TNA is 1000% in the right here.


Edit: And as mentioned, Jeff Hardy and Waltman both have been taken off TV for weeks-months at a time because of them no-showing PPV's. Ditto Apollo, but who cares about him?

This is different. See, since ROH also employs Strong and Aries, that makes ROH "a boss" of Strong and Aries as well. One boss said stay and the other one said come back.

Now I know that Strong and Aries are under TNA contract (which to this point allows them to work ROH dates) but I can fully understand their reasoning. In this instance, they believed they could make it to both dates and they did. The other thing, and this is purely an ethical point in my case, ROH needed them much more than TNA did in this example. ROH was already losing Low Ki, Homicide, and Alex Shelley, all of whom had been advertised for this event before the card for Against All Odds even was put together. Even if Xavier and CM Punk were coming in for the show, it would have been a huge blow to lose Aries and Strong as well.

For that, I say hats off to Aries and Strong for showing some loyalty to the company that put them on the map and still making the pay-per-view in Orlando.

RoH is like the boss you do side work for. TNA is the boss of your main job. You listen to the boss of your main job over the boss you do side work for. Yes RoH made them but that doesn't mean anything. TNA is the big show now and RoH isn't even remotely in their league despite what the bots try and say.

TNA has more exposure with a national TV and PPV audience, they probably pay more, and were just now giving them a push.

I say fuck ROH before I say fuck TNA.

In all fairness, I wouldn't say that ROH isn't in their league because of regardless of what you think ROH STILL has a better catelog of matches than TNA does.

A lot of bots would claim they have a better catalog of matches than WWE. It's still apples to oranges.

Matches don't matter in the equation. We're talking about a national promotion that has over a million people watch their shows a week vs. an indy fed that has a few thousand fans.

Well, I'll be honest. In my opinion that means NOTHING to me as a fan.

I've been catching their Impact shows for the whole year so far, and they're doing a good job at having a different edge to their product. The squashes get annoying, and so do the camera and the announcing at times since it seems like Tenay and West are always excited. But a lot of stuff's been fun, and I enjoy what they do. But this is a dumb decision by them as these guys made it to the show anyway, so it's not like it's that big of a deal.

They still jeopardized their appearence on a PPV they're being advertised for and going against the orders of people who have the 100% right to cancel any of their previously commited shows.


Again, TNA MANAGEMENT has the right to cancel any of their workers previously commited shows for whatever reason. They told Aries and Strong they had to come to Orlando because of weather issues, but they refused and worked the ROH show anyway.

...And then they made it to the TNA show. No big deal.

I do agree a bit with what Colcollazo is saying. Maybe the punishment isn't really fair considering that they DID make the show.

Think about it this way....

When the workers are in Orlando at Universal Studios, they're on the clock. Otherwise, they're off the clock. You know when you're supposed to be at work. Your bosses know too. This is a case of their boss calling to make sure they know to be at work. They made it.

Granted, TNA is the employer of higher priority, but what you do when you're not on the clock is your business. Unless it's written into their contracts that TNA has control over their indy bookings. But even then, it's a bit sketchy.

Technically if they were told to be in Orlando Saturday night then even making the show is being late.

Honestly, it all depends on how they were told. Which is something we'll never know

From Aries' website:

So they WERE 4 hrs late. Regardless of being in time for the show, they were 4 hrs late for work. Discipline should be expected.

Good. It makes me sooooooooooo happy that those DVDVR douchebags will have to put their foots in their mouths.

Nevermind. They're still bitching because of course TNA has to be wrong.

That's because TNA is evil and afraid of ROH.

Yes because TNA wants to flush their internation and national tv deals down the tiolet so they can be RoH. I'm sure the WWF would flush their millions in profit to be RoH as well.

So he was not only going against the orders of the company, but showed up hours late on top of it.

Someone not retarded from DVDArrr defend that.

Good luck finding that guy.

I should really say "someone not from that site or isn't faking their defense" incase someone like me tries it.