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Title: Observer news and notes......


dynamite kido - November 21, 2005 03:36 PM (GMT)
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Excerpts from the 11/21 Wrestling Observer Newsletter:

In this issue Dave writes about Eddy Guerrero’s life and tells some nice stories.

- The decision was made to give Eddy the World title as the main event match on the combined tapings on 11/13 in Minneapolis, and turn him heel in the process to work with Batista on his return

Not sure if that was still going to happen. Stephanie alluded to it on Raw, saying he was emotionally ready this time and would make the company proud.

As for the question of whether he would have been champion on the same day he passed away, that is one the McMahons will have to answer. I know it was the plan going into that day, but there is a good chance that the plan had changed to Orton.

- Eddy was seen as a “legend’ among the other wrestlers. Mark Copani (Mohammed Hassan) and Guerrero had an altercation a few months back on Smackdown. Copani, not knowing any better, told Eddy to stop using the camel clutch. When word got out on what he did, Copani was sat down and told, “Eddy Guerrero is a legend in this business. He grew up in the business. You don’t ever tell him anything. Do you even know who invented that camel clutch you’re doing.” Hassan said “The Shiek.” Hassan, who was being groomed as the top heel before things fell apart was told, “No, it was Eddy’s father. Don’t you ever question him again or you’ll never work in this company.

When UPN wanted the Hassan character off Smackdown, one of the reasons WWE killed the character off completely as opposed to moving him to Raw was because of how Mark Copani handled the situation. When his name comes up and you here wrestlers make cryptic remarks about the guy playing the role, some of that was because of those who knew, he had committed a major sin in mouthing off to someone as well liked as Guerrero.

- At this point, even though it is the match Hogan wants and the match the company wants, Hogan vs. Austin at Wrestlemania is less than 50%. Austin isn’t keen on doing the match. Where they are right now is they either have to find a way to convince him to do it or go in another direction.

- Benoit has talked with some people, including Noble, of late, about the prospects of being able to make a living outside WWE. Of course, Benoit’s prospects and Noble’s results are entirely different as Noble never went to TNA , and while he did get some Japan tours, he wasn’t able to get nearly as much work in Japan as Benoit would be able to.

The company will likely do everything it can to keep Benoit. The date we had on his contract expiring may have been wrong as others are saying the expiration date is next year, and they see him as someone who will be with the company for life.

- Sting has not returned company calls about appearing, so their feeling is he has no interest. Sting has expressed interest in participating in a DVD project.

- Regarding the Rock’s cryptic comments on Michaels a few weeks back, the heat actually dates back to 1985 when the Midnight Rockers were brought to Honolulu for a big show by Rock’s grandmother, who was the promoter at the time. 13 year old Dwayne was so wild he was looking for Michaels to take a swing at him because of how Michaels was behaving in the dressing room.

Most people know the story about political dealings in 1997 when Rock and HHH were on the rise. Another piece of the puzzle was when Vince made the decision to go with Rock as the opponent for Austin at Wrestlemania XV, Michaels (who was theoretically retired at the time due to a back injury) went to Vince and pushed hard for HHH to get the shot. When Vince turned it down, he then pushed for Foley to get the spot. He kept telling Vince, “Anyone but Rock,” but Vince had already made his decision.


By the way, if anyone has or can get their hands on a copy of this Observer for me, I'll hook you up......PM me.

Mad Dog - November 21, 2005 03:48 PM (GMT)
So Michaels politiced against the two biggest stars of the Attitude era. Big surprise there.

dynamite kido - November 21, 2005 04:18 PM (GMT)
I did find the Hassan stuff to be interesting myself....

Real F'n Show - November 21, 2005 06:38 PM (GMT)
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- Eddy was seen as a “legend’ among the other wrestlers. Mark Copani (Mohammed Hassan) and Guerrero had an altercation a few months back on Smackdown. Copani, not knowing any better, told Eddy to stop using the camel clutch. When word got out on what he did, Copani was sat down and told, “Eddy Guerrero is a legend in this business. He grew up in the business. You don’t ever tell him anything. Do you even know who invented that camel clutch you’re doing.” Hassan said “The Shiek.” Hassan, who was being groomed as the top heel before things fell apart was told, “No, it was Eddy’s father. Don’t you ever question him again or you’ll never work in this company.

Ownage.

Mad Dog - November 21, 2005 06:41 PM (GMT)
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I did find the Hassan stuff to be interesting myself....

I found it made Kurt Angle look like an even bigger bitch for trying to all lockerroom leader on Eddie last year.

The Last Free Voice - November 21, 2005 06:56 PM (GMT)
I'm really surprised that they had that much respect for Eddie. I mean, he wasn't a "WWE Guy". Then again, I guess that's just pre-disposed cynicism of the WWE management.

I didn't even know HBK and the Rock had heat... Interesting.

A Sting DVD would rock. He was my faveourite growing up. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

I wonder what the odds of Benoit actually leaving are. I doubt they're that high. Too much job security in the E.

Scrooge McSuck - November 21, 2005 07:57 PM (GMT)
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- Eddy was seen as a “legend’ among the other wrestlers. Mark Copani (Mohammed Hassan) and Guerrero had an altercation a few months back on Smackdown. Copani, not knowing any better, told Eddy to stop using the camel clutch. When word got out on what he did, Copani was sat down and told, “Eddy Guerrero is a legend in this business. He grew up in the business. You don’t ever tell him anything. Do you even know who invented that camel clutch you’re doing.” Hassan said “The Shiek.” Hassan, who was being groomed as the top heel before things fell apart was told, “No, it was Eddy’s father. Don’t you ever question him again or you’ll never work in this company.

Ownage.

Ditto. Hassan got fucked there.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Sting DVD, as long as it's not a Warrior type DVD, since Sting has never worked a day with WWE.

whitemilesdavis - November 21, 2005 08:13 PM (GMT)
Seriously though, what was Hassan thinking. A complete newbie trying to tell a Main Event veteran what he can or can't do? Stupid.

prof_plague - November 21, 2005 08:15 PM (GMT)
Gory Guerrero is credited for the Camel Clutch (La De a Caballo)? I knew about the Gory Special/Gory Bomb, but not about the Camel Clutch.

It's good to know that some wrestlers still are allowed to go out and do their own promos, and lead the matches. Almost every wrestler in the WWE has to work from script, even talented wrestlers, but it's at least good see the WWE acknowledge his talents and let him do his own promos.

prof_plague - November 21, 2005 08:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (whitemilesdavis @ Nov 21 2005, 02:13 PM)
Seriously though, what was Hassan thinking. A complete newbie trying to tell a Main Event veteran what he can or can't do? Stupid.

Now we can see from Triple H's point-of-view. ;)

Scrooge McSuck - November 21, 2005 08:35 PM (GMT)
But Triple H has no original moves. His running high knee is stolen from Harley Race, the pedigree was done by Ron Bass (although not the exact same motion), and everything else he does is punch-kick-main event spinebuster (stolen from everyone else).

eStragand - November 21, 2005 08:51 PM (GMT)
Plus, he spits water out of his mouth...a move stolen from Russell, Bill Cosby's little brother, as detailed in the 1969 album: "To Russell, My Brother Whom I Slept With".

Scrooge McSuck - November 21, 2005 09:07 PM (GMT)
Headbanger Mosh did it too. :P

Big F'N Swigg - November 21, 2005 11:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Last Free Voice @ Nov 21 2005, 12:56 PM)
I wonder what the odds of Benoit actually leaving are. I doubt they're that high. Too much job security in the E.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave. The situation looks A LOT like WCW did when he left there. Not to mention that without Eddy, he may want to do something different

prof_plague - November 22, 2005 12:06 AM (GMT)
The other week we brought the subject of 'Who would leave, if Benoit were we leave', and everyone said Guerrero. I may be the other way around, without Guerrero, Benoit may leave.

I think Benoit would stay with the WWE, unless he is truly pissed about what's happening in the WWE.

TheGreatWhiteChoate - November 22, 2005 12:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (prof_plague @ Nov 21 2005, 08:06 PM)
The other week we brought the subject of 'Who would leave, if Benoit were we leave', and everyone said Guerrero. I may be the other way around, without Guerrero, Benoit may leave.

I think Benoit would stay with the WWE, unless he is truly pissed about what's happening in the WWE.

There's definitely a feeling that the ship is taking on water. They're firing and losing enough guys that you start to wonder how long they can survive without some high end OVW talent.

prof_plague - November 22, 2005 12:15 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (TheGreatWhiteChoate @ Nov 21 2005, 06:11 PM)
There's definitely a feeling that the ship is taking on water. They're firing and losing enough guys that you start to wonder how long they can survive without some high end OVW talent.

They should score more indy wrestlers. They're talented, and work for a low price...even then they sign to a contract.




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