Yeah, you know what to do.

One match annouced so far....

First ever Barbed Wire match in TNA

Sabu vs. Abyss

The unofficial card that I saw:

Jeff Jarrett vs. Rhino

Sabu vs. Abyss

AMW vs. Team 3D

AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe

Christian Cage vs. Monty Brown


Looks like an awesome card so far.

Yep. I'm diggin this one.

Jeff Jarrett vs. Rhino - Already saw it on the last 2 PPV's.

Sabu vs. Abyss - Already saw it on the last PPV (and several others).

AMW vs. Team 3D - Already saw it on Impact and part of the last PPV.

AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe - Already saw it on PPV twice in the last 4 months.


If you like repetitive matches, this is the PPV for you!

Well, the matches are built up Scrooge. But it's okay, I'm sure the WWE will put on a show of random ass bullshit that you can pay money for the same month.

Scrooge,

just stop watching. Seriously, it's obvious you get no enjoyment out of the shows so just watch the WWF and the OVW hosses.

Amen to that. And Vagina.........Sand...........out. Cmon now.

I'm not flaming Scrooge. But why watch something if you don't like it?

I'm just straight up flaming. Uhh, him. Flaming him. I'm not GAY! No for real though, you sound like Scott Keith or some shit Scrooge. If you hate it so much, and its so fuckin horrible, stop watching and stop discussing it.

Usually PPV matches are generally better than TV matches. There's more air-time on a PPV, and wrestlers hold out for even bigger moves on PPV matches.

1 word: Oversaturation. Wait... is that 1 word or 2? I knew I should've paid attention in english class. Anyway, TNA doesn't need to do 12 PPV's. They need more than 4 weeks of 45 minute shows to build angles and make matches important.

How does this match between Sabu/Abyss make it different from last months? Or Styles/Samoa Joe? AMW/Whoever? Probably 3LK/Canada again? It's the same shit over and over and over and over... I complain that WWE PPV's are the same shit every month and they shouldn't be doing so many shows if they can't cycle in new talent, but I can't say the same about TNA, which does it even more?

1 more word: hypocrites.

I don't know that I really understand your point here, that oversaturation excuses the fact that you are needlessly bitchy about TNA (and WWE for that matter). We all know that neither company should be doin 12 PPV's a year. We all know it was better back in the day of the big 4. But they are companies, and their goal isn't to please fanboys on the internet who want it ti be 1991 again, their goal is to make the most money they can. They wouldn't be doing 12 PPVs a year if it wasn't good for them financially.

I would hardly say that TNA "does it even more". Look at RAW and Smackdown. I probably realistically can not give you a fresh 1 on 1 matchup from RAW. It just isn't possible anymore because the rosters are so small and horrible. At least TNA has a bigger roster. You have to look at it from their perspective. To me, Genesis was an in between show, used to generate angles. It is like a Saturday Night's Main Event, or a Clash, or something. A supershow, but not the big one. Now they're actually paying off the angles that they've been establishing.

On to your other post:

Jarrett/Rhino - I would hope this is the "final confrontation." I don't want to see it personally, but they should have a servicable matchup, and have unfinished business because of how Jarrett took the title from him in shady fashion.

Sabu/Abyss - Its barbed wire. They've raised the stakes. No normal hardcore/monster's ball/other generic name match would satisfy their feud, so they go the Full Monty.

AMW/Team3D - Now its just 2 on 2, and this time it is for the straps, and is a Table's Match. I mean, you ask how its any different, so I hate to be blunt, but shit....dur.

Styles/Joe - If memory serves me right, their first meeting was the finals of a tournament, sort of a respect thing. Well it has changed now...this is about DISrespect, and how Joe broke the unwritten code of the X Division. I think its nice, and obviously only a total pessimist would bitch about a match between Styles/Joe that actually has backstory and a title on the line.

This must be the last one (for now with the current feud), because doesn't Monty Brown get a title shot in December?

...And isn't Christian supposed to take the title soon. :wink:

I would personally endorse Scrooge to take the TNA title over Jarrett. If I see him go for that guitar one more time, I'm going to gut him like a fish.

Yeah, I don't think Monty is actually the #1 contender. Which is why they called Monty/Hardy a "contenders" match. Just basically, these guys are contenders. Or something.

I don't want Monty near the title picture. Christian should beat him, and fuck it, blow it all and send him after Jarrett.

Oh wait, isn't TNA going to try to do a Top 5 Ranking liking RoH has done/started-up again?

I wouldn't mind it. That was always fun back in the days of WCW Saturday Night.

WWE is doing that bizarre power list thing, while we're on the subject. I'm suprised Triple H doesn't command the top spot there.

You must hate Jarrett a lot to say that... maybe I shuld travel the 150 miles to Orlando and kill him. :P

And I'm not bitching just to do it. I'm tired of what TNA is pushing. For TNA to make me care anymore, they need to make some changes.


1. Get the fucking title off of Jarrett and send him away for good. He adds nothing to the shows, he's a pathetic champion, and no one likes him (X-Pac heat, not actual heel heat).

2. Fire worthless slugs like Sonny Siaki, Apollo, 3/4 of Team Canada, Kip James, Konnan, B.G. James, and David Young. All of them either suck in the ring, are el generico, or are living off fame of years past when their catchphrases were actually fresh.

3. Get the fucking title off of Jarrett.

4. Get rid of the monthly PPV format, as I mentioned earlier. Try and talk SpikeTV into giving them a bi-monthly super show instead of forcing people to spend $30 on PPV's with very little build up and matches that will no doubt be recycled the next month.

5. Get the fucking title off of Jarrett.

Hell, while they're at it, get rid of AMW. Memphis style tag team cheating may have worked in 1975, but it's almost 2006, and it's boring. Seeing heels cheat like crazy in every match gets to be annoying fast. See also: Team Canada and the hockey stick of doom.

Hey, I like Sonny Siaki!

Oh, and they'll never get rid of the monthly PPVs, just like WWE wont, because they make more money. No amount of info, pleading, or threatening will ever change this either.

TNA makes money on their PPV's? Surprised me. I thought their buyrates were pushing 0.1 (if they're lucky).

I don't know TNA's buyrates, but history now shows that WWE basically makes more buys by running a million shows a year, so they keep doing it. I can't say I blame them, since their goal is to make more money. When business was huge, the big 4 were cutting it. I mean, the first Mania did a fuckin 10.2 buyrate. TEN POINT FUCKING 2. Thats obscene. Now we're talking about .50 and shit.

Simple comparison I dug up right quick:

WWE 1993: The Big 5 PPV's (Rumble, Survivor Series, Summerslam, Mania, King of the Ring) did a total buyrate of 6.37.

WWE 2004: Doing their monthly shows, they pulled in a total buyrate of 8.435.

I used 1993, cause business was quite good in 91-92, and I wanted something that felt equal in stature to the current situation. I'd use 94 or 95, but I'm just not a dick. So with a 1.0 approximately equalling 400,000 homes. Here we go:

1993: 2,548,000 paying approx 24.95 or so? I don't recall the old price to be fair, and don't know the new one, so we'll leave it out.

2004: 3,374,000 paying what I think we would all agree is a higher amount for the montly PPVs than they ever charged for the old time big 4 or 5.

So I can see why Vince (and TNA) would never dream of going back to the way things were. It sucks for the product, but it is great for the checkbook. Even if you're only pulling .50 on every show, you're still making a monthly paycheck, basically.

Scrooge, I think your really reaching here and I may have to agree with MadDog from another thread. Stop watching then. Because apparently you aren't a fan of TNA and they will never change that.

So your tired of what they are pushing eh? I take it you don't like a different show than what the WWE puts out there as that is what TNA is doing?

I'm not saying that jarrett is good, I'm not saying he should be champion...........although he's not bad enough to fire. He could be an effective midcarder.

Team Canada has been an effective group weather you like them or not. The others are just filler, it's not that big of a deal.

Yeah, I agree..........

Well, fuck that. They need to make $$$ and that's what this is doing.

Yeah....ho hum.

Memphis style tag team cheating? What the fuck is that? Note to Scrooge........HEELS CHEAT. That's what they do. Otherwise, wouldn't they be babyfaces?


Scrooge, I have a hard time taking you seriously about half of the shit you post here about TNA considering I know what you watch and like. Regardless if it's what you like or not, that's one thing, but don't bash the company for doing shit that's not half as bad as some of the things that Kane and Hogan have been thrown into during their careers and WAY worse than anything you've mentioned above.

Oh stop pretending I hate everything. I enjoy nearly half the roster, compared to 3-4 people on both of WWE's. It's just I hate seeing the same matches being pushed on PPV, and TNA expects people to keep buying what's basically the same match.

And I think a rule should be made that whenever arguing with me, bringing up Hogan and Kane should be a Disqualification on the grounds of grasping for straws.

Here's the thing: I'd rather see the same main event, with some variation, on 4 straight PPVS than see a different one every month. That's because with the same one every month, you're going to reach WWE levels of boredom with the roster. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that if WWE didn't put a different main event on nearly every month when the Rock was on the Roster, he wouldn't have become so bored with the idea of wrestling, and would STILL be on the roster regularly today.

I'd rather have it the way TNA does it because it keeps the roster fresh.

If I understand you correctly (and it got a little confusing there) I do definitely agree that changing the main event every month is just annoying as hell. A different challenger to the title for no reason is annoying, and TNA used to seem to be doing that, which I hated. They would just randomly announce that so and so gets the title shot.

I'm being a bit hypocritical, because in some instances, I LOVE Old School WWF and the way they would just announce that Bret Hart will get the title shot at Summerslam, and then kind of build it from there. It CAN be done well, but doesn't need to be done every month.

I'm not pretending. I RARELY hear you commend TNA on ANYTHING. Then again, I don't know how much of it you are actually watching outside of Impact anyway.

Also, the Hogan and Kane arguements are valid when I make them. Especially here..............as if you are going to say that guys are terrible in the ring or say that people do the same repetitive shit, I'll bring up Kane and Hogan. Kane was involved in a necrophelia angle and Hogan was the most repetitive guy I've EVER seen in the wrestling business. So it's valid. I don't need to grasp at straws when I can easily pull out the flaws in your argument.

*Awkward pause*


....So, uh, anyone interested in the tables match?

....Why, yes.

How about some barbed wire goodness?

I always say good things about TNA, but right now giving the title back to Jarrett still pisses me off, so I'm more anti-Jarrett, and it makes me come across as anti-TNA, when I'm not.

It pisses me off too, but I'm not ragging on people for finding good things in the company

Who's ragging? I just pointed out what I don't like. I never once said anyone sucks for liking TNA. I just don't think it's THAT good. It could be much better, IMO.

WRESTLING LEGEND BOBBY “THE BRAIN” HEENAN RETURNS TO COLOR COMMENTARY THIS SUNDAY AT “TURNING POINT”

In this TNAwrestling.com exclusive video, wrestling legend Bobby "The Brain" Heenan gives AJ Pierzynski some tips on this Sunday's "Turning Point"'

TNAwrestling.com has learned that wrestling legend Bobby “The Brain” Heenan will return to color commentary this Sunday during “Turning Point” live and exclusively on Pay-Per-View!

“The Brain” will join Mike Tenay and Don West for commentary during the bout pitting Chris Sabin, Sonjay Dutt and Dale Torborg along with manager AJ Pierzysnki against The Diamonds In The Rough!

Everyone at TNA Wrestling is honored to have Heenan return to the broadcast table, and it will certainly be a treat for fans all over the world who tune in!

Speaking of AJ Pierzynski, you can catch the World Series star along with Dale Torborg tomorrow morning (Thursday) on ESPN 2’s “Cold Pizza” as they discuss the match this Sunday on Pay-Per-View!

Why is no one talking about this show? It looks awesome.

Maybe the last couple of Impact's were under-whelming and everyone doesn't know what to say... or people forgot, like me for example. :P

Rumor has it Chris Kanyon will be the mystery opponent for Raven on Sunday.

I'm looking forward to Jarrett/Rhino. Was kind of eh towards the whole thing but those Rhino segments on Impact really got me into the whole thing.

Way to spoil it Plague, you jackass. Even though I created the spoiler thread...

We all knew it was Kanyon anyhow a few days ago. It's been on every board.

Sorry to break kayfabe for you Show.