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Scrooge McSuck - October 27, 2005 04:07 AM (GMT)
It's official now. White Sox are the 2005 World Series Champions, the evil Sawx and Yanks choked big time in the Division Series, and a lot of surprises happend. Milwaukee had a .500 season for the first time since 1992, the Washington Nationals were Playoff contenders until the last few weeks of the season, and the Mets keep spending money without any luck.

jamiegeist - October 27, 2005 04:12 AM (GMT)
THANK GOD ITS OVER! Seriously, could baseball last any longer. Well, obviously it could....so, don't answer that.

I'm just glad ESPN NEWS and Sportcenter can go back to a more even mix of highlights. Baseball is a real hogger.

Scrooge McSuck - October 27, 2005 04:15 AM (GMT)
Ahem... if it's saturday, sunday, or monday until 3 pm, College and Pro Football rapes baseball in every hole to the point a baseball game is recaped in 2 seconds.

TheGreatWhiteChoate - October 27, 2005 04:46 AM (GMT)
Well, I'm glad the White Sox won. That's two "curses" in a row ended on an NL Central team....technically, the Cubs should beat the Twins next year to keep the curse trend going. But like that will happen.

Scrooge McSuck - October 27, 2005 05:01 AM (GMT)
The Cubs have as much of a chance at winning the World Series as the Yankees developing their own stars again rather than buying the flavor of the year power hitter and "ace" pitcher.

TheGreatWhiteChoate - October 27, 2005 05:17 AM (GMT)
The Yankees farm system consists of actual farm animals.



Though the pig has a wicked slider.

S.T. Strickler - October 27, 2005 12:35 PM (GMT)
Orioles got Leo Mazzone as their pitching coach. Now maybe he can do something with the O's staff.

Scrooge McSuck - October 27, 2005 12:38 PM (GMT)
(shakes up Magic-8 Ball)

"Don't Push Your Luck"

And we all know, thr 8-Ball never lies... unless it's Ron Harris.

Real F'n Show - October 27, 2005 01:07 PM (GMT)
Let's see, the Twins already ditched Mays, now they just need to get rid of Lohse, and their staff will already be untouchable. Looking forward to Baker and Liriano getting full time spots in the rotation...

S.T. Strickler - October 27, 2005 02:02 PM (GMT)
Don't worry Scrooge, your Yankees will screw up in the season or post-season again.

eStragand - October 27, 2005 04:26 PM (GMT)
Checking in with Fresh Breaking News of Great Significance...

..the Pirates re-signed LHP Dave Williams.

Spring Training is less than 4 months away!

Scrooge McSuck - October 27, 2005 07:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (S.T. Strickler @ Oct 27 2005, 10:02 AM)
Don't worry Scrooge, your Yankees will screw up in the season or post-season again.

Don't make me remind you of the snot-nosed brat who cost your Orioles a game back in the 1996 ALCS. :D

And yeah, unless some of the looming clouds are cleared up, the Yanks won't win.

2006 Prediction: Cleveland Indians (it's the age of breaking long drouts... they're over due)

Big F'N Swigg - October 28, 2005 12:24 AM (GMT)
Here's to a winter of watching the Reds let every good player slip by, and waiting for the Red Sox to mix up the infield

eStragand - November 2, 2005 12:23 AM (GMT)
Big news: Yankess WIN something after September:

From MLB.com
QUOTE

Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter captured his second straight American League Gold Glove Award on Tuesday. Jeter had 454 assists this season and a .979 fielding percentage.

Last season, when Jeter won his first Gold Glove, he became the first Yankees shortstop to win the award, giving the Bombers a Gold Glover at every position in their history. The Yankees have now had 20 players win a total of 56 Gold Glove awards.

Scrooge McSuck - November 2, 2005 04:09 AM (GMT)
Good news for the Yankees... Red Sox faggoty GM isn't coming back, because apparently he jerked off onto the wrong players ass while they were sleeping. I heard Jeter was pissed off about that...

TheGreatWhiteChoate - November 2, 2005 11:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Scrooge McSuck @ Nov 2 2005, 12:09 AM)
Good news for the Yankees... Red Sox faggoty GM isn't coming back, because apparently he jerked off onto the wrong players ass while they were sleeping. I heard Jeter was pissed off about that...

Someone's drinking the Haterade.

Scrooge McSuck - November 3, 2005 02:12 AM (GMT)
Lee Mazzilli is back as the Yankees Bench Coach, A-Rod is being yelled at for playing poker in illegal clubs, and Matt Lawton suspended for positive steroid testing.

Fun news. :P

Big F'N Swigg - November 3, 2005 04:05 AM (GMT)
Lets see.... The Reds decline their option on Rich Aurilia, who was one of the few steady bats last year. Good job, guys. Way to let those consistent hitters go.

And Johnny Damon, Kevin Millar, Bill Mueller, and several pitchers file for free agency. AAAAHHHH!!!!!

TheGreatWhiteChoate - November 3, 2005 04:06 AM (GMT)
At least Lindner is selling the Reds. Maybe you'll get an owner who can open his pockets a bit.




The Red Sox are doomed next year. Hopefully they just bring up prospects and let 'em grow. They'll be dominant again in a couple years.

Big F'N Swigg - November 3, 2005 04:13 AM (GMT)
Yeah, there is again hope for Reds fans...

And the Red Sox fans let out a great moan and prepare for a return to mediocrity

Scrooge McSuck - November 3, 2005 04:14 AM (GMT)
Millar and Mueller aren't that big of a deal. Your whole team is based around Big Sloppy and Manny. They could put the 4 remaining munchkins from the Wizard of Oz in the starting lineup and it wouldn't matter.

TheGreatWhiteChoate - November 3, 2005 03:57 PM (GMT)
I think Cashman having total control is a good thing for the Yankees. He might get some, you know, players in your farm system, as opposed to getting a bunch of high priced guys who choke every year in the playoffs.

S.T. Strickler - November 3, 2005 04:47 PM (GMT)
Yankees and farm system can't be used in the same sentence... ever. I read that Johnny Damon might get signed by the Yankees in the offseason.

TheGreatWhiteChoate - November 3, 2005 05:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (S.T. Strickler @ Nov 3 2005, 12:47 PM)
Yankees and farm system can't be used in the same sentence... ever. I read that Johnny Damon might get signed by the Yankees in the offseason.

It's easy to forget now, but the Yankees used to be dominant because of their farm. Look at Jeter, Posada, Pettite, etc. That's how they won.

Scrooge McSuck - November 3, 2005 08:26 PM (GMT)
1996 World Series team had it's share of home grown talent, but you gotta remember most of the team was average players or past their prime (like Wade Boggs and Cecil Fielder).

Ever since Steinbrenner kept buying big names, they keep choking, and even worse than the previous season. (obviously the last few years)

eStragand - November 3, 2005 10:08 PM (GMT)
The Yankees have a farm system...it's called Major League Baseball.

Matt Lawton testing postive... guess this means that yellow teeth are another side-effect of steroids.

TheGreatWhiteChoate - November 4, 2005 07:26 PM (GMT)
Padres make a trade for another useless, aging third baseman. It always amazes me how poorly most teams draft and trade.

Scrooge McSuck - November 4, 2005 08:44 PM (GMT)
Brian Lawrence for VINNY CASTILLA... B-Law wasn't doing too great (run-support fucked him up), but come on, Castilla? This guy must be going for the record for bouncing around to more teams than Todd Zeile and Reggie Sanders.

Scrooge McSuck - November 5, 2005 02:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
White Sox buy out Thomas

CHICAGO (AP) -- The Chicago White Sox bought out Frank Thomas for $3.5 million on Friday, making the best slugger in team history eligible for free agency.

The 37-year-old Thomas exercised a $10 million mutual option for next season on Monday, giving the team five days to decide whether to exercise its half. The White Sox could try to re-sign the two-time AL MVP for less money.

``There should be no question about the respect this organization has for Frank and all that he has helped us accomplish, including a World Series championship,'' general manager Ken Williams said in a statement. ``He is the greatest hitter in White Sox history. At the same time, it is my responsibility to make the best decisions I can on behalf of the organization. Our plan now is to continue to speak with Frank and his representatives over the coming months as more information is known about his health.''

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Thomas, who has missed most of the past two years with foot and ankle problems, hit .219 with 12 homers in just 105 at-bats last season. He missed the first two months while recovering from surgery on his left ankle, then broke the ankle in July, ending his season.

A career .307 hitter with 448 homers and 1,465 RBIs, Thomas is the team's leader in most offensive categories. He has spent his entire career with the White Sox and has said he wants to return.

``Obviously, our hopes are still that we'll be able to work something out with the White Sox. It would be ideal to see Frank retire as a White Sox,'' said Thomas' agent, Arn Tellem.

Tellem also said that Thomas, who had his foot examined in Los Angeles on Thursday, is ``feeling good.''

``I heard overall it was very positive,'' Tellem said.

In another move, Chicago agreed to a $650,000, one-year contract with backup catcher Chris Widger, a $150,000 raise from his base salary this year.


Hmm... now that the Sox have proven they can win the World Series, they no longer need the big slug taking up room on the bench every time he's on the DL (which seems to be every season).

Scrooge McSuck - November 9, 2005 06:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
Yankees decline option on Martinez

By MIKE FITZPATRICK, AP Baseball Writer
November 8, 2005
NEW YORK (AP) -- The Yankees let Tino Martinez go Tuesday, declining their $3 million option on the popular first baseman.

Martinez returned to New York this year and hit .241 in part-time duty with 17 home runs and 49 RBIs. He was a staple in the Yankees' lineup from 1996-01, helping the team to four World Series championships and five AL pennants with his clutch hitting and reliable defense.

Always a fan favorite at Yankee Stadium, he was brought back to provide insurance at first base for slugger Jason Giambi, who was coming off a 2004 season wrecked by illness and injury. And Martinez did his job, going on an early home run tear while Giambi was still struggling, a big reason the Yankees were able to recover from an 11-19 start to win their eighth consecutive AL East title.

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But Giambi, now healthy, found his stroke as the summer wore on, pushing Martinez to the bench most games. Often used as a defensive replacement, the two-time All-Star finished with 303 at-bats in 131 games.

``At this stage, I'm trying to reduce payroll,'' Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said at the GM meetings in Indian Wells, Calif. ``We have a young player who's knocking on the door, Andy Phillips, who's a right-handed bat and provides flexibility to Joe Torre. We're gravitating toward that concept. We're not locked into it, but that's the current direction.''

Martinez, who will turn 38 next month, went 0-for-8 in the first round of the playoffs against the Los Angeles Angels, and the Yankees were eliminated in five games. He hasn't decided if he wants to retire or return for another season in the big leagues.

``As far as my future goes, I have no idea,'' Martinez told MLB.com. ``We'll see what happens. I haven't ruled anything out either way.''

Martinez is a .271 career hitter with 339 homers and 1,271 RBIs in 16 major league seasons. He gets a $250,000 buyout and becomes a free agent. His salary was $2.75 million last season.

Cashman said the Yankees are seeking a starting center fielder and bullpen help. He has talked about retaining Tom Gordon as a setup man for Mariano Rivera but is exploring other options. One might be B.J. Ryan, who had 36 saves for Baltimore this year.

``It really depends on the person,'' Cashman said. ``Some guys, closing is in their blood and it's all they want to do. Other guys feel it's an honor to set up for Mo and also play for the Yankees.''


To quote Darth Vader... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!

Big F'N Swigg - November 10, 2005 01:29 AM (GMT)
I agree that Millar and Mueller weren't the meat and potatoes of the lineup, but they have been fairly consistent producers. It's more that I like them as people as well as players. We're in deep doody without Damon, though. He's been the face of the team since Nomar left.

And it looks like they might trade Manny.

Back to the bottom of the division for us, it seems

Scrooge McSuck - November 10, 2005 01:45 AM (GMT)
Nah... remember, my Devil Rays are still in the East, and no matter what they do (build new stars, sign old players, or a mix of both), they can't get out of the funk of winning no more than 66-70 games a year.

Big F'N Swigg - November 10, 2005 01:48 AM (GMT)
Very True

TheGreatWhiteChoate - November 10, 2005 02:02 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Scrooge McSuck @ Nov 9 2005, 09:45 PM)
Nah... remember, my Devil Rays are still in the East, and no matter what they do (build new stars, sign old players, or a mix of both), they can't get out of the funk of winning no more than 66-70 games a year.

A magical thing called "a payroll" would take care of that. If they even double it the next couple years, I expect to see them win 80-85 games.

Scrooge McSuck - November 10, 2005 02:14 AM (GMT)
You don't need big money to be a winning team. Look at the Yankees. They throw money around like nuts, and lose.

Oh, and might I add how much of a hypocrite the Yankees GM is. The "Not picking up Tino's option was to cut back on payroll" comment is pure bullshit, yet Posada is making like 8 million this year, and let's not forget Giambi's 209593 billion dollar contract.

Sorry, I'm bitter that a team leader and the most popular Yankee since Don Mattingly retired is being treated like shit because he's past his prime.

Big F'N Swigg - November 10, 2005 02:26 AM (GMT)
It's very true. I don't get the Yankees logic sometimes. Hire guys like Sheffield, Giambi the Steroid Giant, and others, but drop Martinez? That's Reds level logic there

Scrooge McSuck - November 10, 2005 02:30 AM (GMT)
Sheffield and Giambi are "great" players, but Sheffield has an attitude problem (bitching about A-Rod/Jeter and about the rumored trade), and Giambi is selfish (refusing to go to the minors when he was batting .0000005 through May).

Having guys like Tino and Bernie (who'll know doubt be let go too, because the Yanks are, ha, concerned about the payroll being too high) on the bench serve as leaders and mentors for the young players coming up (those 40-something guys being signed in the off-season), and also can be used as defensive replacements for sack of shit gloves or clutch/pinch-hit situations.

Big F'N Swigg - November 11, 2005 12:00 AM (GMT)
It's true. They're letting there classiest players go to pay for Giambi

Scrooge McSuck - November 12, 2005 05:11 AM (GMT)
Next move no doubt coming... pass on Tanyon Sturtze's incredibly high contract of $2 million in 2006 for Jose Mesa (no doubt $9 million with a option of $17 million for 2007, knowing how retarded Cashman is).

Yes, the Twilight Zone has begun. I'm openly bashing my favorite team because it's being run by fucking idiots more worried about throwing money around for oper-priced talent that have never proven to be any help to any other teams than having a respectacle team that plays like a team, and not 9 guysa swinging for the fences.

Let's look at some other guys...
Robinson Cano - No doubt trade bait for Vinny Castilla
Chien-Ming Wang - Back to the minors for you
Shawn Chacon - May get a relief spot, if he's lucky
Aaron Small - For basically getting us in the playoffs and proving to be more help than our retirement home starters Al Leiter, Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson, and Mike Mussina, you'll be back in Double AA for the rest of your life.

Big F'N Swigg - November 13, 2005 12:37 AM (GMT)
I've heard that Chien Ming-Wang was being shopped around, and that Cano was a definite keeper




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