Title: Thoughts on old skool WWF booking?
Colcollazo - October 12, 2005 11:59 PM (GMT)
How cool would re-booking old WWF ppv's be? I've already got a ton of cards from 1989 all throughout the 90s that are re-booked to my liking.
Real F'n Show - October 13, 2005 01:13 AM (GMT)
One of my favorite things on the old TSM Fantasy Booking folder were the people who rebooked WWF from Wrestlemania 1 onward. I don't have the time, but it was very fun reading it, and seeing what they changed. Like Mr. Perfect with the WWF Title...
Scrooge McSuck - October 13, 2005 01:30 AM (GMT)
I tried doing that, but I end up giving up. I differ from Show, though. I found those to be quite bad since usually it had no info on why such-and-such is going on, and was just out of nowhere random.
Let's not forget when someone isn't even with the company keeps being used 3 years after being released. It's fantasy booking, not being Fantasy Vince McMahon. :P
Mad Dog - October 13, 2005 01:41 AM (GMT)
I had an NWA 1989 scenario on EWR a long time ago. It was kind of neat but it was really limited worker wise and some guys stats were way off.
Scrooge McSuck - October 13, 2005 01:44 AM (GMT)
Let's not forget random injuries. The god damn scenario fucked up with my Sting/Flair and Dragon/Luger feuds, putting Sting out for a year with a broken leg (ironic that he was out for 5 months in 1990 because of torn ligaments in his knee), and Luger broke his hand, so I had to compromise with Flair/Dragon, and hurt the undercard without a #2 feud.
Mad Dog - October 13, 2005 01:48 AM (GMT)
Yeah, knowing my luck I'd start a 1985 WWF one and Hogan would get a 16 month injury after the first show.
Scrooge McSuck - October 13, 2005 01:51 AM (GMT)
Lucky me, the only injuries during my WWF diaries were to undercard losers I hardly use like the Bushwackers.
Mad Dog - October 13, 2005 01:54 AM (GMT)
I've had scenarios where I've had 5 guys down with long term injuries before the first month is even done.
I think you'd be completely screwed if you lost Hogan in any kind of an 80s WWF scenario that started before 89.
Scrooge McSuck - October 13, 2005 01:57 AM (GMT)
Losing Hogan would be horrible, but imagine losing Savage too. Then you have (very) few options for a top babyface, and lose the #1 heel, unless you keep Andre the Giant as a face and push him to the moon, but he'd probably retire 2 months into the diary.
Mad Dog - October 13, 2005 01:59 AM (GMT)
You still have the Ultimate Warrior to put into the top. Ted Dibiase, Mr. Perfect and Andre could probably all work at the top
Scrooge McSuck - October 13, 2005 02:00 AM (GMT)
Depending on the year. 1989 you have some options, but from 1985-87, the entire promotion was built on the shoulders of Hogan, with a cycling number of midcarders temporarily promoted to the main events as his challengers.
Mad Dog - October 13, 2005 02:05 AM (GMT)
Piper and Snuka would've probably been the best bet for the top program. If we're taking 85 Steamboat wasn't ready yet.
Scrooge McSuck - October 13, 2005 02:09 AM (GMT)
I was under the impression Snuka left the WWF shortly after WrestleMania (1), but Piper could've had a feud with... uh... Junkyard Dog? Sure, he was only used in the midcard with WWF, but he was over enough for a non-title feud of that level.
Mad Dog - October 13, 2005 02:14 AM (GMT)
I don't know. Junkyard was pretty much a mess by then and next to useless as a worker. I don't think he could've handled a main event run. I also don't believe that Vince would've given a black wrestler the ball in such an event. I think you would've seen Andre get pushed as the top guy or something insane like David Sammartino getting a huge push before you would've seen the JYD.
They could've gone back to Backlund maybe.
Scrooge McSuck - October 13, 2005 02:20 AM (GMT)
Whatever happend to Backlund following his departure in 1984? I rarely ever hear anything about his career up until 1992.
Mad Dog - October 13, 2005 02:31 AM (GMT)
He mostly was out of wrestling but did make appearances for Pro Wrestling USA and the UWF that was around for like 5 minutes in the early 90s.
Colcollazo - October 13, 2005 04:51 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Scrooge McSuck @ Oct 12 2005, 07:30 PM) |
| Let's not forget when someone isn't even with the company keeps being used 3 years after being released. It's fantasy booking, not being Fantasy Vince McMahon. :P |
One thing I don't like doing is keeping guys too late. Guys like Warrior won't be used in 1993, Hogan in 1994 etc, etc. My current format will be booking ppv's and recapping stuff that happens in between ppvs (feuds, debuts, returns, releases, injuries). I'll start off at WrestleMania 5 so here's the roster.
WWF Champion: "Macho Man" Randy Savage
WWF Tag Team Champions: Demolition (Ax & Smash)
WWF Intercontinental Champion: Ultimate Warrior
Faces:
Hulk Hogan
Jake Roberts
Jim Duggan
Brutus Beefcake
Ronnie Garvin
Hercules
Red Rooster
Blue Blazer
Koko B. Ware
Hart Foundation (Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart)
Rockers (Marty Jannetty & Shawn Michaels)
Strike Force (Rick Martel & Tito Santana)
Bushwhackers (Butch & Luke)
Heels:
Ted DiBiase
Rick Rude
Andre the Giant
Mr. Perfect
Bad News Brown
Haku
Dino Bravo
Ron Bass
Brooklyn Brawler
Brain Busters (Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard)
Powers of Pain (Barbarian & Warlord)
Twin Towers (Akeem & Big Bossman)
Fabulous Rougeaus (Jacques & Ray Rougeau)
Rhythm & Blues (Greg Valentine & Honkytonk Man)
By this time, Savage has turned on Hogan, and the two will square off in the main event.
Race was retired at RR 89.
The Jake vs Andre has reached it's peak and the legendary Big John Studd will be ref for their match.
Another note is that the tag team titles are now held up due to a false finish between the POP and Demolition from a match in February of 1989. The finish has one member of the POP pin the illegal man of Demolition. So a tag team tournament has now been set up for WrestleMania. The teams being Demolition, POP, the Harts, Rockers, Brain Busters, Twin Towers, the Fabulous Rougeaus and Strike Force (Martel recently returning in January).
"Ravishing" Rick Rude will challenge the Ultimate Warrior for the IC title with Bobby "the Brain" Heenan in his corner.
There will also be a 20 man battle royal, with $50,000 and "the Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase's Million Dollar title on the line.
Mr. Perfect will face the Blue Blazer in the opening match.
I'll post the first card in another thread.
eStragand - October 13, 2005 05:29 AM (GMT)
Man..how, how, HOW could you exclude the Bolsheviks from your roster and tag team tournament?!!
Scrooge McSuck - October 13, 2005 09:09 AM (GMT)
Were they an active team in 1989? :P Only times I remember seeing either of them on my tapes is Zhukov losing solo matches to the likes of Koko B. Ware and Paul Roma.
Yeah, Zhukov was even further down the card than those guys. :D
And thank you Colozozozzo for keeping a bit of reality in your fantasy booking (by not using people years past their real final appearence)
Colcollazo - October 13, 2005 05:08 PM (GMT)
Bolsheviks left at Survivor Series in 1988 I think, and Zhukov was a jobber the whole year long in 1989.
Also I forgot to mention 2 things.
Ted DiBiase was 1988's King of the Ring and was the 1989 Royal Rumble winner last eliminating Big John Studd.
And the guests for the Brother Love show at WrestleMania 5 will be Morton Downey Jr. and the returning "Rowdy" Roddy Piper & "Superfly" Jimmy Snuka.
eStragand - October 13, 2005 06:24 PM (GMT)
Bolsheviks were still around for 1989. They weren't doing the regular tag thing, though. They took about a year off and wrestled as singles guys from about Feb 89 to Jan 90. As a team, they jobbed to the Bushwhackers on TV and on houseshows prior to WM5.
I saw Nikolai pin Sam Houston (hey, you forgot HIM as well!) at a house show in March 89, just two weeks before WM5. Zhukov at least got on TV during their singles runs. He was on Prime Time alot as well as the Snuka squash on SNME. I suspect that Nikolai was injured or else took some personal time for the end of 89. He MAY have ventured outside the WWF in the last 6 months of 1989..not sure. Nikolai was defintely back in 1990.
The Bolsheviks reunited in early 1990. Highlight of that run was the quick job to the Hart Foundation at WM6, followed by losses to Demolition and the Rockers. All of which led to the RED hot (yuk, yuk..get it? RED? I kill myself) Bolsheviks Explode Angle!
In other words, they were still around in this time frame.
Oh yeah..don't forget the ocassional HillBilly Jim match!
Scrooge McSuck - October 13, 2005 11:48 PM (GMT)
That reminds me... what the hell was up with Hillbilly Jim? He randomly came back for 2 month periods throughout 1988-1990, and did nothing of note judging by your reviews other than being squashed by Earthquake on an episode of SNME and losing to the team of Bad News Brown and the Brooklyn Brawler. Oh yeah, and he forced the Blue Blazer to do a jig.