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Big F'N Swigg - June 19, 2005 04:26 PM (GMT)
That's right boys, this weekend CM PUNK beat Austin Aries for the ROH Championship in what was supposed to be his last match in ROH. He turned heel on the crowd, bascially mocking them for supporting him and beat Aries.
Afterwards, Daniels came in and challenged Punk. Punk teased answering the challenge and then left out the front door in a waiting car. Daniels then said it was his "destiny" to win the ROH title.

Here's the results from the ROH board. (I'm so sorry but that's the only place I could get them)
Early counts on attendence is 800-900

ROH Tag Team Titles: JesHUSS over The Embassy

Lacey wins the women's match

Carnage Crew over RCE with a Splash Mountain Neckbreaker off the top through a table - LOTS OF BLOOD!

A Turnbuckle has came off, the ring was fixed w/ tape.

ROH Pure Title: Samoa Joe over Cabana with an armbar.

ROH returns to Jersey August 20, which will also be the New Jersey return of Christopher Daniels

Allison Danger comes out to Daniels music, and says Daniels will be in Long Island.

Petey Williams is the mystery opponette for AJ Styles, AJ gets "Welcome Back" chants.

AJ over Williams, after match.... Jade Chung nut shot on AJ, Rave Clash on AJ, and Canadain Destroyer on AJ

-Intermission-

Generation Next vs Laceys Angels kick off the second half, Jack Evans did a springboard 630 to the outside, ... GENERATION NEXT WON. SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION, GOT THREE DIFFERENT TAKES (people lying, chat room losers spreading rumors)

Nigel wins 4CS pinning Gibson.

Ki vs. Lethal - no contest - Smkoes-a-ference

PUNK V ARIES!!!!!! Aries gave punk a dvd on the apron and is in control on the outside.... WINNER AND NEW WORLD CHAMPION... CM PUNK!!!!!!!!!... Aftermatch.... PUNK TURNS HEEL... CHRISTOPHER DANIELS RETURNS.... DANIELS CHALLENGES PUNK, PUNK WALKS OUT WITH THE BELT! -END SHOW-

prof_plague - June 19, 2005 05:39 PM (GMT)
What?! Just yesterday I thought to myself, not knowing it was Death Before Dishonor III already, "Hey. I wonder how long Aries is going to hold that title. He's been champ since December 26, I wonder how much longer he'll hold the title for. Well, he has a match against Punk in Punk's last match and we know Aries will go over Punk since he's leaving for the WWE. And isn't Aries in a feud with Gibson, with Gibson the number one contender for the RoH titile? Although it does seem weird that Punk was in the RoH all that time, was a big draw for RoH, but was never champ."

Also, how times must Colt get a shot at any title before winning one in RoH? Well, a singles title that is. He's typically one of the top 5 or 6 on the petition list for a title shot, but he's never won a single title. (Yes, I do note that the Pure title is fairly recent and Joe had a 21 month reign, and the last time Colt had a title shot was against Aries in his first RoH title defense.)

Sounds like a good show. I planned on picking up the show once it came out on DVD because it was Punk last match in RoH. Figured it would look nice next to Death Before Dishonor I where it was London's last match in RoH, challenging Joe for the title.

Also: Aries was named Head Trainer at the RoH Wrestling School.

dynamite kido - June 19, 2005 07:07 PM (GMT)
Weird. I was thinking this week that they may have done something like this. I had a friend that went to the show, but I didn't get a chance to talk to him yet. I told him that they might give Punk the belt for a "thank you", but I just didn't see it happening. But they actually did it..........and I guess now they are going to hot shot it over to Daniels.......or someone. I don't know how long Punk is going to be able to wrestle indy dates at this point. Hopefully, they didn't hurt the title much by doing this.....but they probably have at least a bit.

Big F'N Swigg - June 19, 2005 10:30 PM (GMT)
I don't know. From what I can tell, Punk's farewell promo was spectacular, and hinted that he's been "playing" face and was heel the whole time. It's a phenomenal angle that will have the entire IWC talking. Even if it hurts the prestige a bit, it will help the company a lot

The Last Free Voice - June 19, 2005 11:56 PM (GMT)
MY BOY DID IT! WHOOOOOOOO!


Okay, markout moment aside, this sounds awesome. But... what if the entire WWE thing was just a work?

Real F'n Show - June 20, 2005 12:16 AM (GMT)
NOOOO! I may be one of the few fans of Aries' reign, but this booking just seems odd. Hopefully it will be cleared up in the Newswire or at the next show. I assuming a tournament or something will be held to crown a new champ or something. Or they could just give it to Daniels...

The Last Free Voice - June 20, 2005 12:40 AM (GMT)
Who cares?! Punk finally did it! And the storyline I saw start in earnest (Yes, the lucy thing really started it, but I saw Battle Lines damnit) will finally be finished! YES!


LFV= happy.

Mad Dog - June 20, 2005 12:48 AM (GMT)
Good to know they pissed all over the last United States title with any kind of credibility. Guess the GHC Title is the last one standing.

The Last Free Voice - June 20, 2005 01:17 AM (GMT)
Um, please tell how having CM Punk, ROH's biggest star (Possibly with the exception of Joe) and without a doubt their MVP, win their title pissing all over it? It was his last match, yes. But it's not like they're just writing it off. They obviously have a plan for what happens next. Why don't you give it a fucking chance before pissing all over it. Jeeze.

Big F'N Swigg - June 20, 2005 01:39 AM (GMT)
I agree. Lets wait to see how this plays out before we bash it.

Also, ROH is pushing the idea that Aries has had an injured neck:

June 14th: The World Title is definitely in jeopardy for Champion Austin Aries this weekend. Aries has taken on a grueling schedule as champion and now injuries are beginning to catch up with him. Aries was in a brutal match against Low Ki last Sunday. Samoa Joe originally injured Aries' neck on 5/14 with a Muscle Buster. Spanky worsened the injury with a top rope Sliced Bread #2 on 6/4. Ki destroyed the neck with the same kick that knocked out Dan Maff at "Bitter Friends, Stiffer Enemies" and a top rope Ki Krusher. ROH officials gave Aries the chance to back out of this Saturday's title defense and rest the injury, but Aries is determined to wrestle and says that nothing will stop him from beating CM Punk and being known as the greatest ROH World Champion of all time.

dynamite kido - June 20, 2005 03:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Last Free Voice @ Jun 19 2005, 07:17 PM)
Um, please tell how having CM Punk, ROH's biggest star (Possibly with the exception of Joe) and without a doubt their MVP, win their title pissing all over it? It was his last match, yes. But it's not like they're just writing it off. They obviously have a plan for what happens next. Why don't you give it a fucking chance before pissing all over it. Jeeze.

BECAUSE IT'S SHITTY TO BOOK YOUR CHAMPION LIKE THAT WHEN HE WAS FINALLY CATCHING ON WITH A FANBASE. I know you love you some Punk LFV, but it's plain and simple bad booking anyway you cut it. Either they have a tournament for it, and the title is somewhat tarnished, or they have Punk lose it immediately which also tarnishes the title. The only way the title wouldn't look bad is if Punk had a run with it, which he won't because of his situation with the WWE.

Mad Dog - June 20, 2005 04:36 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Last Free Voice @ Jun 19 2005, 09:17 PM)
Um, please tell how having CM Punk, ROH's biggest star (Possibly with the exception of Joe) and without a doubt their MVP, win their title pissing all over it? It was his last match, yes. But it's not like they're just writing it off. They obviously have a plan for what happens next. Why don't you give it a fucking chance before pissing all over it. Jeeze.

Because he's leaving for the WWF and everyone knows it's a thank you gesture. It's going to either lead to the title being vacated or Punk losing it quickly. It also would've done more for the belt for Punk to not win it like this. It would've done wonders for the RoH poster boy to fall short on his last night there. It would've shown how hard it is to win the belt.

prof_plague - June 20, 2005 05:04 AM (GMT)
May be RoH and Punk are also hoping that saying he was a former RoH champion might help him in the WWE and with the WWE fans and may be a push at some point.

Mad Dog - June 20, 2005 06:04 AM (GMT)
I hope that was sarcasm. Being former NWA/WCW Champions did nothing for guys in the WWF. Being the champion of an indy fed means nothing.

Mad Dog - June 20, 2005 01:45 PM (GMT)
I just want to add that if another company did this you guys would be shitting all over it.

prof_plague - June 20, 2005 01:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mad Dog @ Jun 20 2005, 12:04 AM)
I hope that was sarcasm. Being former NWA/WCW Champions did nothing for guys in the WWF. Being the champion of an indy fed means nothing.

I know. :( Every once and a while I hope for a "new era" where the WWE will slowly change and recongnize their wrestlers' accomplishments.

prof_plague - June 20, 2005 02:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mad Dog @ Jun 20 2005, 07:45 AM)
I just want to add that if another company did this you guys would be shitting all over it.

I know that. I'm just a little confused more than anything else. I thought Aries was going over Punk. I figured that was RoH's way to have Aries fully recongnized as champion once he has beaten a couple of its top names, i.e. Samoa Joe and Cm Punk. But then again, may be RoH figured everyone would assume that Punk would lose because it was his last match.

To say CM Punk is RoH Champion after winning the title in his last match for RoH is poor booking.

Example: Bret Hart wanted to win the title at the Survivor Series in 1997 over Shawn Michaels. It was Hart's last match and was jumping to WCW, yet he wanted to win the WWF title. (Granted, this lead to the Montreal Screwjob), But I can find the logic of saying, "No Bret, you can't win the title and show-up in WCW with it." (Not like Punk would carry around the RoH title in the WWE.)

whitemilesdavis - June 20, 2005 02:11 PM (GMT)
It is also long standing tradition to job on your way out. This is the kind of thing that gets on ROH haters nerves. It seems like these guys are such marks for themselves even if it is bad for business. "We want to show respect for Punk, so let's put him over our champ." That's rediculous. How about let Punk put on a great match where he properly puts over the guy who is gonna still be there next week. Stupid.

dynamite kido - June 20, 2005 02:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (whitemilesdavis @ Jun 20 2005, 08:11 AM)
It is also long standing tradition to job on your way out. This is the kind of thing that gets on ROH haters nerves. It seems like these guys are such marks for themselves even if it is bad for business. "We want to show respect for Punk, so let's put him over our champ." That's rediculous. How about let Punk put on a great match where he properly puts over the guy who is gonna still be there next week. Stupid.

Not to mention that it's been said MANY times that Punk's the biggest mark there is for CM Punk as well.

whitemilesdavis - June 20, 2005 02:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
New ROH World Champion CM Punk has agreed to defend the title on the July 8th debut in Long Island. This is the only date that Punk has agreed to be on. Punk's opponent will be decided the night of the show. Tickets are on sale now for this event at Sports Plus Entertainment Center in Lake Grove, NY at ROHwrestling.com, by calling 215-781-2500 and at Ticketmaster outlets.

The ROHwrestling.com Newswire will be coming by Monday morning with lots of news about many upcoming shows.


Gabe posted this on the ROH forums. I don't see any way this can be called good booking.

Mad Dog - June 20, 2005 02:56 PM (GMT)
It's not good booking. It's right out of the ECW playbook when they were nothing but a shitfest and had several title changes in one night. This shows no foresight and one act has completely cheapened three years worth of work to make it credible.

Of course the RoH mutants won't say anything bad about it.

dynamite kido - June 20, 2005 03:02 PM (GMT)
That's fucking terrible. They aren't naming who it is because it's pretty obvious that they are going to do another switch. If Aries wins it right back.............that's even worse.

Mad Dog - June 20, 2005 03:03 PM (GMT)
RoH is quickly becoming just another indy. It's been all downhill for them since Joe lost the title.

whitemilesdavis - June 20, 2005 03:05 PM (GMT)
I would bet Aries, and then we probably get another tear-filled, kayfabe-breaking departure, with equally nauseating chants from those morons in the crowd. These guys seem as eager to shoot themselves in the foot as TNA.

Mad Dog - June 20, 2005 03:09 PM (GMT)
I think the fanbase is a big part of RoH's problem. The mutants drown out honest critics and they're now stuck not knowing when they're doing something wrong.

dynamite kido - June 20, 2005 03:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mad Dog @ Jun 20 2005, 09:03 AM)
RoH is quickly becoming just another indy. It's been all downhill for them since Joe lost the title.

They were doing fine this year, it's just a major step in the WRONG direction.

Mad Dog - June 20, 2005 03:19 PM (GMT)
They had been on a very long streak of below-par shows for most of the year. The Homicide/Danielson feud was just unacceptable for how long it went on. Too much "sports entertainment" during Austin Aries matches. That stupid Juniors tournament where all of the RoH guys jobbed in the first round. Crappy undercards and a tag division that still hasn't been fixed. Gibson and Spanky showing up were big positives though.

dynamite kido - June 20, 2005 03:25 PM (GMT)
How many shows have you seen this year MD? I've watched up until Back to Basics and I thought most of the shows were fine. Also, have you seen the Dragon/Homicide falls count anywhere match yet? It's probably the ROH match of the year IMO....

Mad Dog - June 20, 2005 03:33 PM (GMT)
It doesn't really matter how good Danielson/Homcide do in the ring at this point. There's just such a burnout with them that I don't want to see them against each other.

dynamite kido - June 20, 2005 03:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mad Dog @ Jun 20 2005, 09:33 AM)
It doesn't really matter how good Danielson/Homcide do in the ring at this point. There's just such a burnout with them that I don't want to see them against each other.

Honestly, I would contest that. They had a series of 5 matches all with different stips. In those 5 matches they used those stips better than I've seen guys in ANY company actually use them correctly. It was a rather good series of matches IMO.......

The Last Free Voice - June 20, 2005 06:33 PM (GMT)
You know what, you guys are being far too smarkish about this. ROH gave thier fans a great moment, and from talking to a lot of ROH fans, one a lot of them wanted to see. So it Tarnishes the title. Big whoop. It was a great moment, one that will probibly sell lots of DVD's. I honestly wish I could have been there. I'm just going to drop this now, because obviously you guys want to get all smarkish about it, and I don't. So, whatever.

dynamite kido - June 20, 2005 07:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Last Free Voice @ Jun 20 2005, 12:33 PM)
You know what, you guys are being far too smarkish about this. ROH gave thier fans a great moment, and from talking to a lot of ROH fans, one a lot of them wanted to see. So it Tarnishes the title. Big whoop. It was a great moment, one that will probibly sell lots of DVD's. I honestly wish I could have been there. I'm just going to drop this now, because obviously you guys want to get all smarkish about it, and I don't. So, whatever.

How the fuck are we being too smarkish? I fully support ROH, not single guys that wrestle for the company. You think that tarnishing the title isn't a big deal huh? Well you're being too much of a mark for Punk then. The title being important is essential for ROH's survival. If you don't realize that then maybe you're too much of a mark to realize it. ROH fans (although not all of them) are fucking mutants. They love everything that the company does and it's a horrible way to gauge what is right for the company. How is it a great moment as well? Have you seen it? NO. You've just heard about it and you like Punk, so it's all fine for you. ROH since day one has been about establishing stars with their titles........and this clearly is far out of that spectrum. I admit that Punk should've been the guy to beat Joe during their great series last year.........but it didn't happen then and it shouldn't have happened now. You want to honor a wrestler.........give him a ceremony, not the fucking main title in your company.

Mad Dog - June 20, 2005 07:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Last Free Voice @ Jun 20 2005, 02:33 PM)
You know what, you guys are being far too smarkish about this. ROH gave thier fans a great moment, and from talking to a lot of ROH fans, one a lot of them wanted to see. So it Tarnishes the title. Big whoop. It was a great moment, one that will probibly sell lots of DVD's. I honestly wish I could have been there. I'm just going to drop this now, because obviously you guys want to get all smarkish about it, and I don't. So, whatever.

For starters it's a smark fed. Also this is the same kind of shit that lead to the WWF destroying itself for the last 4 years. Moments are good and everything but coll moments aren't always best for business. Now you're stuck with a champion that you have to get the belt off of ASAP and probably haven't thought far enough ahead.

And fuck CM Punk. Seriously just fuck him. Why should the company bring all of it's plans to a crashing halt to give the guy a going away present? The company still has to go on after he leaves and now they've just pissed all over their titles prestige. Seriously just fuck the guy. Six months of trying to get the fans to see Austin Aries as anything more than average and they tore down all of that work in one match.

dynamite kido - June 20, 2005 09:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mad Dog @ Jun 20 2005, 01:53 PM)
And fuck CM Punk. Seriously just fuck him. Why should the company bring all of it's plans to a crashing halt to give the guy a going away present? The company still has to go on after he leaves and now they've just pissed all over their titles prestige. Seriously just fuck the guy. Six months of trying to get the fans to see Austin Aries as anything more than average and they tore down all of that work in one match.

I couldn't have said it better myself......nicely put MD.

Big F'N Swigg - June 20, 2005 10:53 PM (GMT)
How about we all just admit that we don't agree and Shut the Fuck Up.

Seriously, it's shit like this that makes me wish I wasn't a smark anymore.

Big F'N Swigg - June 21, 2005 12:31 AM (GMT)
Ok, I'll clarify myself a bit. Your standard every day mark doesn't give a shit about the prestige of a belt. They just want interesting stories and good wrestling. ROH has done a good job of delivering that, and this is them continuing that.

It doesn't matter if Punk will drop the belt soon or not. No matter what they do, ROH will seem like an "amateur" wrestling company to the average mark as long as they don't have national TV.

And I know that their target audience is smarks, but the reason the smarks like them it's because they can mark out like a normal mark.

Now lets keep this from being a retarded "ROH fans are mutants" thread. Fuck that. Every wrestling company has mutant fans. DEAL WITH IT

The Last Free Voice - June 21, 2005 02:33 AM (GMT)
You know what, I am too much of a mark for CM Punk. And you know what? I still don't care. The fact that you guys get so fucking worked up over this is pretty sad, IMO. It's wrestling, guys.

Mad Dog - June 21, 2005 03:05 AM (GMT)
I find it pretty sad that RoH gladly lap this shit up when they'd shit all over any other company doing the exact same thing.

Just line right up next time and take the load right in the face when they start doing this ego stroking.

The Last Free Voice - June 21, 2005 03:10 AM (GMT)
Dude, it's not that. I'm not saying ROH is infalliable. I'm just saying that I don't think this was such a horrible idea. Maybe I'm being horribly markish about it, but I really don't care. That's all. I don't think being markish about some things is such a bad thing. I simply would rather enjoy something put out by a company I like than shit all over it, just because it may do some harm in the long run.

dynamite kido - June 21, 2005 04:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Last Free Voice @ Jun 20 2005, 08:33 PM)
You know what, I am too much of a mark for CM Punk. And you know what? I still don't care. The fact that you guys get so fucking worked up over this is pretty sad, IMO. It's wrestling, guys.

Dude, it's not that. I'm not saying ROH is infalliable. I'm just saying that I don't think this was such a horrible idea. Maybe I'm being horribly markish about it, but I really don't care. That's all. I don't think being markish about some things is such a bad thing. I simply would rather enjoy something put out by a company I like than shit all over it, just because it may do some harm in the long run.

Personally, I think it's sad that you're marking out for something you haven't even seen yet. I'm not worked up about anything, we're having a discussion about wrestling and I'm simply stating my opinion.

I'm not shitting all over anything, I'm just trying point out the fact that ROH isn't doing itself any favors by treating their title like that. You have to realize that eventually when guys are wrestling for no reason (aka the titles aren't worth a shit) that people quit coming to shows for just plain old matches. I know what the ROH crowd is about and it's usually putting themselves over more than the wrestling.........and apparently that's what ROH the company is doing with their title........putting a guy over a title. It's simply bad for business......




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